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NASB | 1 Corinthians 12:9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Corinthians 12:9 to another [wonder-working] faith [is given] by the same [Holy] Spirit, and to another the [extraordinary] gifts of healings by the one Spirit; |
Subject: gift of healing same as prayer of faith |
Bible Note: Greetings Tim, You state: "1) You use the word 'temporary again though it is not found in Scripture. This is the crux of the debate. :-)" No, that is not the crux of the debate. The crux of the debate is that the gift of healings is not exhibited today as it was at the time of Christ and the apostles. And even though I have already conceded that the word "temporary" is not used in conjunction with the gift of healing in any Bible verse, there are several verses that point to the Scriptural veritability of my position even though it is not spelled out word for word in Scripture (Luke 9:1-2, Mark 16:20, Matthew 10:1, 2 Cor. 12:12, etc, etc, etc..). And my argument is NOT from silence. You state: "2) Because of the way you define the gift, no evidence of the gift today would suffice. If someone is healed, you would say that it is an answer to prayer, not a 'gift of healing'. :-) Where does Scripture define or describe how a 'gift of healing' must occur?" All we have to do is look at the examples given to us in Scripture of how Christ and the apostles carried out the gift of healings to know that what happened then does not happen today. 4) As for your 4th point referencing Acts chapter 4, verse 31 actually says, "And when they had prayed, the place in which they were gathered together was shaken, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and continued to speak the word of God with boldness." Verse 31 does not say anything about anyone healing anyone, and it most certainly can't be used to make the entire chapter reflect on the entire church instead of simply to Peter and John, which is exactly what it states.. Now, I can accuse you of 'arguing from silence' in this instance. You state: "5) Could it be that these events are not more common because many in the church do not believe in the gifts anymore? Many who do have turned them into nothing more than natural talents and abilities, not supernatural workings of the Holy Spirit." Now, who is 'fishing' for something that is not stated in Scripture? You state: "By the way, why does our experience have to support the Word? God's promises are true whether we receive them or not." You are the one who is seeking to justify your position based upon experience. If you use the Bible as your basis, you know that the healings expressed therein do not happen today. As for addressing all of my points, you will need to go back and read my posts in this thread because there are too many points for me to quote in one post. One answer that I would like to know is your interpretation of 2 Cor. 12:12. Blessings to you, Makarios |