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NASB | Romans 9:23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:23 And what if He has done so to make known the riches of His glory to the objects of His mercy, which He has prepared beforehand for glory, |
Subject: What's up with the italics in vs. 23? |
Bible Note: Hia. PS first: I'm sorry about the profile thing, I haven't had time yet. I'll get to it soon. I only have one day off this weekend and I have to get my chores done as well as go with my Mom to help her finish cleaning out the house she just moved out of today. That will be an all day job, and I'm likely to be occupied with cooking and such 'til late tonight, then it's back to the grind. I promise I'll get to it. I myself have had the same desire in my heart to seek as the "Berean". I endeavored to have a teachable spirit and learn with humility and respect. I believed that God would honor that with wisdom and knowledge and some degree of respect from my family and community. Those things never came to me even though the Bible told me so. I had to come to some conclusions about that. After I found out what a Calvinist was, I realized that I had been taught mainly with that tradition so most of my thinking was based on that concept. I felt as if the Authorities were keeping Armenianism a secret from me. This sort of thing has happened to me over and over with other doctrines; inerrancy, rapture, dispensationalism, hypostatic union and others. The more it happens, the less I tend to trust any one denomination, teacher, tradition or theological construct to teach me what really is. While I think most people nowadays don't put all their eggs in any one denominational basket, there are still many who don't realize that their worldview is limited to what teaching they've been exposed to. They don't realize that they are still wearing the Calvinist glasses to read the Bible. This is what I was trying to show you. I had to learn it too. There are many ideas out there that you have no doubt been "protected" from being exposed to. There are shepherds who believe that their job is to tell you only what you can "handle" so that you don't become confused even though they know better. For instance: there are many ideas about what happens to us after we die which people in the pews need to believe, but which any Pastor who has gone to more than one good class can tell you is not the actual truth from the Bible. But do they tell us? No. When you interact with people at funerals, I'm sure you can understand why. The sword of Predestination was used when you suggested that I trust that all things will work out in the end and to not usurp authority by trying to change what's happening here and now. That is the "use" of the sword. [Using the sword of Predestination could be a good topic for a string if I had the time and energy for it, but I don't right now.] Hm. I think the metaphor of straining at gnats and swallowing camels is different than what you meant here. But I think I see what you mean. One of the things I discovered in my research on alternative ideas about the authority of Scripture is that we tend to talk about the Bible as if it is the final authority. (see this page: http://www.gospelcom.net/lockman/tlf/tlfabout.php and note the 4th sub-statement within the last part (the "fourfold aim" part) under the subtitle "Mission Statement") The Lockman Foundation makes it appear as if Jesus Christ is subservient to the Bible. Of course, that would be silly. If the Bible is in an arm wrestling match with the True God of the Universe, who will win? Obviously it's not the Bible. But we ignore this obvious fault in our statement because of what we believe about knowledge. It is this underlying belief about knowledge that I am questioning, not the trustworthiness of the Bible. God, bless you as well, and I did not miss the blessing, I just saw what appeared to be a contradiction to it. Whitewave |