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NASB | Romans 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 9:15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOMEVER I HAVE COMPASSION." [Ex 33:19] |
Subject: Mercy's God's prerogative |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! I agree with you that Rom. 11:32 does not say that God will have mercy on all men, but it does say that His actions have resulted in a situation where He may have mercy on all men. Concerning your other points, I will be posting some detailed examinations of chapters 9-11 from an Arminian perspective soon. However, let me address a couple of points very briefly. 1) The thurst of the quotes about Jacob, Esau, and Pharoah, all have to do with God's sovereign right to use them in anyway He sees fit, since He is the potter. However, it never says anything about their individual salvation. In fact, all of the quotes about Jacob and Esau all refer to the nations involved. 2) Nowhere in chapter 9 does it say that the vessels are locked into the postion that they are in currently. Notice in Ephesians, that Paul says that they were all at one time "vessels of wrath". But, God had mercy on them. 3) Chapter 9 cannot be understood in isolation from chapter's 10 and 11. Both of these chapters stress that whoever calls will be saved and that even those, in chapter 11, who are not of the elect can be saved if they do not continue in their unbelief. 4) Concerning "all Israel", I believe Paul is refering to the Spiritual Israel of 9:1-6 here. He specifically mentions the full number of Gentiles being brought in, and then he says, "Thus, all Israel will be saved. I have probably missed something, since I'm getting ready to leave for work. But, please respond to my more detailed posts as I work through chapters 9-11. That will allow us to discuss things in a lot more detail. The differences between our two views are hard to discuss in broad strokes. I look forward to interacting with you my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |