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NASB | Romans 6:12 ¶ Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 6:12 ¶ Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts and passions. |
Subject: Can we live life without sinning? |
Bible Note: Kcbam Yes I did see your post to Tim Moran, which is why I did post you. We can't take one piece of what the Bible has to say about the Christian and the ability to sin, or the responsibility not to sin and ability not to sin and only take one of those stances alone because the scripture says two things about sin without contradicting itself. Romans all of chapter 7 does indeed say that Christians are in a war between the flesh which does still sin and the spirit which does not want to sin. 1 John chapter 1 and does say that WHO EVER says they do not sin is a liar, and 1 John chapter 2 does say that the Christian has an advocate and can ask for forgiveness. What Paul is saying in the verse you have there does not contradict what Paul also says in Romans 7 that believers do sin, as he is not talking about unbeleivers in chapter 7, but believers. He uses the word "I" and is talking about his own experience as a believer that he does indeed have problems with sinning as a believer... He goes on to say in verse 1 of chapter 8 that for the believer there is no condemnation in Christ Jesus because the law of of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and of death. What you are purporting there is that one gets sanctified by works, and that is just as bad as saying one gets saved by works. If one is saved by faith along by grace alone, then one is also sanctified by faith alone by grace alone - both of these acts by God alone have as a component that the believer will exhibit outward works because the Holy Spirit is active in the believer. You make a mistake because you cannot say you do not now sin as a believer yourself! Is this not true? Or do you say you as a believer have never sinned since you first believed? If you answer no, I have never sinned since being a believer, according to 1 John, you are a liar. Now, if you are willing to admit you have sinned since you became a believer, then you have to concede to Paul's point in chapter 7 of Romans that you still are struggling with sin and that you are doing the things you do not want to do... So if you are still doing the things you do not want to do, then your salvation, and your sanctification rest in the power of God. The first having been completed and the second having been started and to be completed. Or can you say you now look and act just like Jesus and that you are now sinless and glorifed completely? And how can we say the flesh is now saved? In what sense is the flesh now saved if it still dies as a result of sin, for sin brings about death? Is it not true that our souls have been buried in death with Christ and raised from the dead, but that our bodies are not yet raised from the dead? How then, if the body has not been raised from the dead according to the promise can we say the body has been saved? If our bodies according to 1 Corinthians has yet to be raied imperishable in chapter 15, then how can we say it already has been? Seeing as how Jesus and Paul both say that as soon as you believe in Jesus you have eternal life, but the body still dies, then your soul is what now has attained to eternal life and your body is waiting to attain that eternal life. And who says that because you now sin as a believer that you are not saved or sanctified? In Romans chapter 6 Paul is laying down the principle that we CAN CONQUER sin in the flesh, and that it will not be mastered by it, it does not say that we will erradicate sin while in the flesh. If it was saying that, then why is there a Romans 7 saying we have not erradicated it? In Romans chapter 7:1-6 Paul lays down the principle that we are married to Christ forever. In Romans chapter 8:37-39 it says that there is nothing that can separate you from the love of Christ - that includes sin as things present and things to come. Or do you believe that if one sins he is not a Christian? And if you believe that do you believe you can lose your salvation too? The two go hand in hand... peacebestill |