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Subject: Which is first, wrath or Grace?

Bible Note: DPMartin,

My comment about mercy was specifically meant in regard to pre-fall eden. Ofcourse we need mercy now.

Beyond this, I honestly am not very sure what the second half of your post is saying regarding wrath. I think you might have misunderstood my statements regarding wrath as well but I'm not following you well enough to be sure. If you have a question of me it would help me if you could try to boil your question down to a bit more precise version of it.

My confusion partly stems from what appear to be contradictory statements you are making. You critique my view of God's wrath coming in response to sin by asking me "If that were true then what is Jesus' offering on the Cross all about?" My answer would be, "Exactly that." His death was an attonement to satisfy God's wrath against sin on behalf of those who trust in Him. I'm not sure how you see the cross as a case against God's wrath upon sin?

Sorry that I couldn't follow you. I'm sure it is probably more related to my own shortcomings than your post.

In Christ, Beja