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Subject: Which is first, wrath or Grace?

Bible Note: Hello DP Martin,

I think Beja has provided you a solid response:-)

If I may, I too am "not quite following you" with the multiple points your making. Maybe you could clarify?

You stated, "Sorry its your belief that God's wrath comes in response to sin. If that were true then what is Jesus’ offering on the Cross all about?"

Perhaps you're confusing things a bit? My question would be, why isn't this true? Doesn't scripture state clearly in Rom. 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness," (NASB) So, His wrath is against, all ungodliness and unrighteousness... in other words, sin!

Wrath is one of the lesser understood attributes of God! It's certainly not popular in our culture. Allow me to share one of my favorites quotes form A. W. Pink in his book, "The Attributes of God"-

"It is sad to find so many professing Christians who appear to regard the wrath of God as something for which they need to make an apology, or at least they wish there were no such thing. While some would not go so far as to openly admit that they consider it a blemish on the Divine character, yet they are far from regarding it with delight, they like not to think about it, and they rarely hear it mentioned without a secret resentment rising up in their hearts against it. Even with those who are more sober in their judgment, not a few seem to imagine that there is a severity about the Divine wrath which is too terrifying to form a theme for profitable contemplation. Others harbor the delusion that God’s wrath is not consistent with His goodness, and so seek to banish it from their thoughts...

You also said, "Nobody said there isn’t wrath, but most of that has been men to men, not God to men." That's not quite true biblically, as Pink continues, "A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness. Because God is holy, He hates all sin; And because He hates all sin, His anger burns against the sinner: Psalm 7:11... Now the wrath of God is as much a Divine perfection as is His faithfulness, power, or mercy. It must be so, for there is no blemish whatever, not the slightest defect in the character of God; yet there would be if "wrath" were absent from Him!"

Perhaps this will shed some light on your question.

Speaking the Truth in Love,

BradK

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