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Bible Question (short): Trinity vs. Modalism |
Question (full): Hey Sharp! Thanks for the response! I still think that we are not on the same wavelength about our definitions. In your response, you wrote: "His prayers were not empty in any way however I cannot see one God praying to another God. By the word omnipotent only one can be omnipotent,if one has all power, all means all." Trinitarians absolutely do not believe in multiple Gods. I don't see one God praying to another God. I see God the Son praying to God the Father, but there is only one God. We are almost saying the same thing, except with one important difference. That difference is why modalism was declared a heresy by the early church councils. The difference simply is this: There is only one God eternally existent is Three distinct Persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.) Modalism deinies the reality of the three Persons and turns them into modes only. But, we agree on the point that there is only one God. I don't have any problem with God the Son praying to God the Father, because God the Son was temporarily subordinate to God the Father during the incarnation (Phil. 2:5-11). Concerning your last point about receiving more than one Spirit, the doctrine of the Trinity says that the Spirit of the Father is the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit. If you are filled with the Spirit, you have all Three, since They are One. P.S. - Can I get a little personal? It seems to me that Modalist really don't believe that Trinitarians only believe in one God. Most of the response I have gotten seem to spend most of the time trying to convince me that there is only one God. I already believe there is only one God. The point of debate is does the Trinity or Modalism best explain what we know about the nature of that one God. By the way, can you clarify this statement for me: "If Jesus was fully God and fully man, which he was, would not that flesh have to submit to the Spirit?" I'm not sure I understand your point. God Bless, Tim Moran |