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NASB | John 6:56 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. |
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Bible Question:
Greetings Sharp! I just finished responding to RevC about this topic, so it is fresh in my mind. First of all, let me state again that you and I agree that there is only one God. The doctrine of the Trinity never has stated that there are three Gods. So, everything you quote in your response, I agree with. The only difference we have is whether or not the terms Father, Son, and Holy Spirit refer to real distinctions within the Godhead or only modes. This is an important distinction because trinitarians believe that anything that can be said about the Father's nature (omnipotent, all-knowing, eternal, ect...) can also be said about the Son's nature, since He is fully God. The doctrine of the Trinity says that all three members of the Godhead are co-equal and co-eternal. However, the point that I think best addresses our differences is your last few statements. You wrote: "Jesus prayed not my will but thine be done, would not that be in referance to the flesh, complete human nature, or two wills in the Godhead?" If I am understanding your position correctly, you believe that the human nature of Christ was unaware of the Divine nature. Therefore, when He prayed, he was just acting like any human, not realizing that He was actually God. Therefore, the prayers were meaningless and unreal. I believe, that during the incarnation, Jesus was fully aware of both of His natures. He was fully man and fully God, and He knew it. However, He was temporarily subordinate to the Father (Jn. 14:28, Phil. 2:5-11). Thus, His prayers were real. The incarnate, 2nd Person of the Godhead, was praying to the 1st Person of the Godhead. What do you think? God Bless, Tim Moran |
Bible Answer: Back again Tim, Jesus knew exactly who he was, we find him reasoning with the Jewish leaders at the age of 12 years old. He ask his mother when they found him if she didn't know he must be about the father's business, John 14:10 "...the Father that dwelleth in me...". Jesus wept at the tomb of Lazarus, why, he knew Lazarus was dead long before he got there and that Lazarus would come out of the grave when he called. John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead waslaid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. 11:42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me. 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus,come forth. Here Jesus prayed so the people heard, so the focus was on God and not what most percieved him to be at that time, a man. If Jesus was fully God and fully man, which he was, would not that flesh have to submit to the Spirit? "Not my will but thine be done" His prayers were not empty in any way however I cannot see one God praying to another God. By the word omnipotent only one can be omnipotent,if one has all power, all means all. I believe we find Jesus as mediator and judge, lion and lamb, preist and sacrifice, and much more. He was our example, if he was tempted in all points like us, was God tempted or the flesh? Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his. Holy Spirit? or do we receive more than one Spirit? sharp |