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NASB | John 3:11 "Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 3:11 "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, we speak only of what we [absolutely] know and testify about what we have [actually] seen [as eyewitnesses]; and [still] you [reject our evidence and] do not accept our testimony. |
Subject: When were disciples born again? |
Bible Note: Subject: When were disciples born again? Note: C.S.M.Explain for me if you would your statement:“I don't find scriptue where it is written that the Holy Spirit "always" falls on entire groups. Paul as the example was filled with the HOly Ghost as at the beginning because he said, "I thank God, I speak with tongues more than you all." He had to speak a lot if it was more than all of them put together.”Does the Holy Spirit baptize more than once? Is it not sufficient that He baptizes only once. I ask simply because you claim tongues are spoken when this happens. You then state that Paul had to speak tongues a lot. So Paul needed this Baptism more than once?I can’t see how you claim the Holy Spirit will surely cause whomever He comes upon to speak in tongues. I’ve never speaking tongues, what say you about me? I guess the Holy Spirit, according to your logic, has never baptized me. But you’ll have to argue that with Him because God’s Word has informed me otherwise.WOS WOS, I guess you haven't been reading this thread? It has been explained by scripture, that I did not write, I only read it and believe it, and share it. John 1:33 says Jesus Christ is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost. Luke 3:2,-6,15-16 tells us the people wondered if John were the Christ, and his answer is the same as John 1:33. Jesus is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost. John preached the baptism of repentance as it is stated in several places. This baptism is a water baptism, that's what John did, isn't it. John said that is what he did in Luke 3:16 and John 1:. I'm sure you can find all the references where it is written. Since Jesus is appointed of God the Father to baptize with the Holy Ghost, do you think he is going to disobey God the Father? John 1:29-36 is the account John the baptist gave, when Jesus was baptized with water and the Holy Ghost came on him like a dove. John explained to the Pharisees that he had heard from God, and God had said the way John would know who the Messiah was, from among all the people coming to be baptized with the baptism of repentance and looking forward to the Messiah, was that the Holy Spirit would come on him and remain. I'm sure you know that John the Baptist and Jesus were cousins? Mary and Elizabeth were cousins, therefore John and Jesus were 2nd cousins. From the natural stand point he knew Jesus. They probably played together as children growing up, so from that standpoint, he "knew" Jesus. However, John is not taking any chances when he heard from God about the Messiah, and his assignment from God to baptize unto repentance. God had not told John "who" the Messiah was as evidenced in John 1:31 when he said, "And I knew him not", he went on to say "but that he should be made manifest of Israel." Who told him that? It had to be God. In fact he continues, "But he that sent me to baptize with water (not the Holy Spirit), the same said unto me....(wasn't John speaking of God the Father here..yes, he is) God had sent John to baptize with water, John was the son of the priest, Zacariah and Elizabeth. He went into the wilderness to "hear from God in prayer, didn't he." It is this John that said "he (God the Father) said unto me, "Upon whom you shall see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same (which was Jesus) is he which baptizes with the Holy Ghost." John continued by saying, "And I saw, and bare record, that this is the Son of God". Who is the Son of God? Jesus! Who is the baptizer with the Holy Ghost? Jesus, according to scripture. I didn't write it, did you? Jesus said of the Holy Spirit of truth, John14:16-17 "And I (Jesus) will pray (ask) the Father, and he (the Father) shall give you another comforter, that he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth; whom THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE, because it sees him not, neither knows him: for he dwells "with" you, (present tense) and shall be in you. (future tense)." This is Jesus speaking isn't it. What had the Father promised mankind? After his ressurection..telling his disciples where to go and what to wait upon.. Luke 24:49 Jesus said, " Behold I (Jesus) send the promise of my Father (this is God the Father) upon you: but tarry in the city of Jerusalem, (how long?) until you be endued with power from on high." Where was this power coming from? on high! where is on high? The throne of God the Father! Jesus had told them in verse 48, and you are witnesses of these things, speaking of fulfilling what had been done in the past in the law of Moses, in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me (Jesus). Luke 24:44-49. The key here is, "you are my witnesses" and the Jesus,"wait "until" you be endued with power from on high." Jesus was emphatic about it, so he thought it was absolutely necessary, from the tenor of his command to them. |