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NASB | John 13:18 "I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.' |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 13:18 "I am not speaking of all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but [this has happened] in order that the Scripture may be fulfilled: 'HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS RAISED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME [as My enemy].' [Ps 41:9] |
Subject: What did Jesus mean? |
Bible Note: Hello again Paul, I appreciate your response. I would like clarification on the following statement though. I'm sorry but I didn't get your point. You wrote: "I now come to your comments of my remarks concerning the letters to Timothy and the Romans, you said I did not 'read on'. Well lets read on, Romans 2:1-4 says it is wrong to judge such actions. This is the main point of Paul's debate, that these people should not be judged by the believers." I believe the point Paul was making there involves the issue of hypocrisy. As for the "play on words" I was not referring to you. I was referring to the comment I was about to make in the post. Recognizing that my comments may have been interpreted as splitting hairs, I am confused enough by what you are teaching that I felt it important to address the "Christ created" comment. Thank you for clarifying that point and your position on that. As for the creation of man on the sixth day and the formation of man on the seventh day; it's a different discussion but I might suggest that you read through chapters 1 and 2 and consider if the two accounts represent two different events, or the same event? So as not to appear intentionally divisive or "nit-picky"; allow me to address only one more point in your post. You wrote: "It is difficult to explain a total scriptural concept in short postings. I ask you to consider the predestined sacrifice of Christ, our saviour, and the whole journey of mankind through sin to salvation. Project earth, to 'form' man in His image." Most assuredly I consider the sacrifice of Christ and we have no disagreement regarding the necessity of it nor the purpose; to justify sinful man. I will attempt once more to make sense of this. When I referred to the "big picture" in my earlier post this is what I meant. You focus on man's "journey" "through sin and salvation". What I'm asking you to consider is that the journey did not begin there, with sin. Man, Adam, began as a sinless creation. We have to start there or we risk laying the responsibility for sin at the feet of God. Lets not forget that Adam was created in the image of God. I don't pretend to fully understand that but I do believe that free will is part of it. Of course all-knowing God knew that Adam would sin. But did He plan for Adam to sin, that is, cause it as a means of working out His plan? I say no, you appear to be saying yes. There we disagree. Our being made in His image is the work of justification and sanctification that is worked in us by God. It is a NEW creation, a conversion of the old into something new. Hope this helps make my point more clear, Jeff |