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NASB | John 13:18 "I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled, 'HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.' |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 13:18 "I am not speaking of all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but [this has happened] in order that the Scripture may be fulfilled: 'HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS RAISED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME [as My enemy].' [Ps 41:9] |
Subject: What did Jesus mean? |
Bible Note: Dear Jeff, I must thank you for your reply, your time and patience with me. I can appreciate how wearisome this discussion has become to you and the other people frequenting this forum. It is difficult to explain a total scriptural concept in short postings. I ask you to consider the predestined sacrifice of Christ, our saviour, and the whole journey of mankind through sin to salvation. Project earth, to 'form' man in His image. Here I stand corrected, you are right, Christ is not 'created' in us, I should have used 'formed'. Thank you for pointing out my error, wont do that again. Although man is created on the sixth day (Gen 1:27) he is formed on the seventh. (2:7) These are different processes and the seventh day is still running in Heb 4:1-4 several millenia later. It is this 'forming' that I refer too, the completion of His purpose. The forming (yatsar in Hb.) the work of the potter. I now come to your comments of my remarks concerning the letters to Timothy and the Romans, you said I did not 'read on'. Well lets read on, Romans 2:1-4 says it is wrong to judge such actions. This is the main point of Paul's debate, that these people should not be judged by the believers. Dear brother, I am not playing with words, it is not a game, I seek of Him. I have to harmonize all the mess of this world's mess with a God who is ultimate control. The world is where He wants it to be in His divine plan, otherwise He is not God. The mess that we witness has to have a purpose, He permits that, that He could prevent. It is not an unforeseen accident, it is not crisis management, it is the outworking of His purpose. I will pray and meditate on the thoughts you have given me, I thank you and love you in Him, thank you my brother, Yours and His, Paul |