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NASB | Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Matthew 4:1 Then Jesus was led by the [Holy] Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. [Luke 4:1-13] |
Subject: What was reason for the virgin birth? |
Bible Note: Hello brother Hank; I have never questioned the validity of the virgin birth. I think I should make this very clear sense I would not want any of my brother or sisters to think otherwise. And I'll answer my own question there .I think it was very simply just to verify His deity. The issue the I would like to discuss, is the question of wether Our Lord was born with a sin nature. And, sense you have apparently, and very graciously I might add, opened that door, I will enter very carefully as not to offend. And believe me brother I Do not want you or any one to think that in any way shape or form would I insinuate something that would or could diminish Our Lord, and I know that you feel the same way. I had, thought it best not to start this conversation on the forum, as you know things can get quite confusing in the hubbub of so many voices. but here goes, I suppose I would have to start with Adam and Eve, I have herd that point about them not having a sin nature and yet they were tempted, and it seems to be a good one. But, does it follow logically, sense they did get the curse of that nature after they sinned. Mary the mother of Our Lord, being in that earthly line, was born with it, so then, Jesus being all God, but also all man, and, a man born in that line, could we not then say that He also was heir to this sin nature. Now this gets hard for me. and frankly brother I'm not sure If we should employ this kind of logic, but to me at least it does follow logically. and I would like answers. and this logically seems to answer them. And it is not a question of faith. I don't like the idea of even associating Our Lord with sin, unless it is to say, He "did not" and "could not" sin, for it was "never" part of gods plain. Having said that. It is hard for me to imagine, the temptation being valid, if Our Lord did not have a sin nature. It seems to me that if He did not have to make a conscious effort, that is, if there was no struggle. How then could He possibly relate to us in the way the Word says that He does. In the garden he sweat as like it was blood and I'm convinced that it was blood. Brother here was a man in anguish looking for a way OUT! He said to them " My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death." and He fell with His Face to the ground "My Father. If it is possible, may this cup be taken from me." I am not suggesting in any way that Our Lord would ever disobey the Father. But man you gotta think he wanted to, and thats the kind of Man that I want to get behind! Someone who is faithful no mater what! well I hope I'm not out of line here but that how I feel about it. No apologies!...... oh, unless I offended someone, in that case..........sorry. Peace stj |