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NASB | Obadiah 1:16 "Because just as you drank on My holy mountain, All the nations will drink continually. They will drink and swallow And become as if they had never existed. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Obadiah 1:16 "Because just as you [Edom] drank on My holy mountain [desecrating it in the revelry of the destroyers], So shall all the nations drink continually [one by one, of My wrath]; Yes, they shall drink and swallow [the full measure of punishment] And become as though they had never existed. [Rev 16:14-16] |
Subject: How does God judge and who? |
Bible Note: Bobjones- you’re all over the place so it's hard to follow and address; so I will just pick out a couple of points where I'm either misunderstanding or not in agreement. You wrote: "So his life is the condemnation. John 3.19 says it plainly" You seem to be missing the point of the verse by not reading it through. The verse by itself clearly does not in any way suggest that His life is the condemnation. Quite the opposite. What comes after the statement of "the light has come into the world" is the truth of what is condemned. "...and men loved the darkness rather than the light, for their deeds were evil." (NASB) Evaluating that verse in the wider context of Scripture will certainly show this to be the case. It's unscriptural to hang the cause of condemnation on Christ. Regarding Philipians 2:7 I think I'm following you but not sure. It's not an uncommon mistake that some have equated the "emptying" and "taking on the the form of a bond servant" with somehow giving up a portion of who He was as God, that is, a part of His character. This is simply a false assumption resulting from a lack of understanding that Jesus Christ is, always was, and always will be God. If He would have at any time became less than the fullness of God then He would have ceased to be God. It's not possible and not taught in Scripture. Once made flesh through the virgin birth He became a man flesh and blood. He never ceased though to be God; it's the essential truth of the virgin birth. The sin nature imputed to us from Adam was not imputed to Christ. Another misconception is that Jesus could not have used divine power to resist sin. He certainly could have and it would have done nothing to lessen that he was tempted as we are. It might be argued that it could have lessened how we viewed His example since we do not have the same ability. Of course, we do have the power of God who does always provide a way of escape from temptation. Finally, the command of Scripture to resist temptation is not given to fallen man with no inclination toward God. It is, instead, given to the saved to whom He has shown mercy and freely given grace. As for what Romans makes clear... it is that all are eternally lost save for salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Only the saved have the ability to sincerely and consistently resist sin. I'll leave it there for now as that is a lot to chew on. Hope this is helpful. Jeff |