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NASB | Psalm 51:5 ¶ Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Psalm 51:5 ¶ I was brought forth in [a state of] wickedness; In sin my mother conceived me [and from my beginning I, too, was sinful]. [John 3:6; Rom 5:12; Eph 2:3] |
Subject: When do we become sinners? |
Bible Note: Greetings JCP! I'm getting ready to rush off to Colts Training Camp, so I can't tarry long. I totally agree with you about all of us being born in sin. Even Arminians believe in total depravity. Admittedly, Rom. 7:9 is not clear. However, combined with unlimited atonement, it makes a fairly strong case. One point that Calvinists never seem to understand from an Arminians perspective is that we don't see an atonement sufficient for all, but effcient for those who respond, as being ineffective. His death atoned for every sin, not just some. I would not call that ineffective. However, I realize our camps may never see eye to eye on this issue. One point of concern, Arminians are not semi-pelagian. I have always viewed this as a strawman. We really have nothing in common with pelagianism. Maybe we can discuss this later, I have to run. Blessings my brother. Tim Moran |