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NASB | Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And their expanse is declaring the work of His hands. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Psalm 19:1 The heavens are telling of the glory of God; And the expanse [of heaven] is declaring the work of His hands. [Rom 1:20, 21] |
Subject: special revelation vs general revelation |
Bible Note: Thank you Ed, But my point to Tim was that often threads that start going in the direction of personal statments and lean away from scripture often become distractive, and unfruitful. They tend to go off an tangeants that distract from the original topic. I see this, in the context of communication, as being baited..distracted from the topic by statements that cause us to think we need to 'defend' ourselves or others. I believe after a year on the forum that this is the main reason threads become restricted. I have seen very lengthy threads on topics with many varying scriptural views that were not banned because we stayed away from this type of communications. Your statement pasted below is a perfect example of such a divisive attitude. Then when I asked you to clarify your opinion based on the context of posts on the topic you have not done so. "Just so you know who your agreeing with as your lead by the spirit. There are many (graceful) on this forum from the Word of Faith denomination. That "denomination" teaches faith in faith. In other words if we have enough faith God HAS to do it. Word of Faith is far different than Pentecostal, Full Gospel or even Charismatic. It's teachings have been found and proven to be cultic. In that you no longer depend on God but rather on your faith." Your disagreements with my stance on scripture should be dealt with in the context of scripture, not in accusations concerning my 'affiliations'. Lawyers like to do this, "just answer my question." And we all have seen unless the judge or the opposition takes the topic past their one point the truth will never be known. What will appear to be truth supportted by evidence is not in fact true. So yes many times you have said something but you weren't baited away it was put in context to reveal the truth. If you can't see this then I guess you do feel the way you do. I'm so sorry for you." No, I defined 'baiting' above. Agreeing on the interpretaion of one scripture does not finalize the truth. However, it does make way for a true Bible study. Often the preconceived idea of what I believe causes many of you to dodge around rather than answer the post, comment on the scripture then move forward...true communication. This is 'reasoning together'. I do expect enough respect as to acknowledge the truth presented, which does not in many cases at all finalize the conclusion. Thus the use of prosecuters, defense attornyes, cross examination and often a jury! But is is necessary for some hard questions to be presented, such as "Does theis scripture say ALL OR A SOME?" And although we may not like it, the truth must be stated or we will not find the whole truth. As for your last paragraph concerning this testimony, my heart is compassionate toward any lose. But our scriptural beliefs can't be influenced by experience, We have discussed this before. I will not judge God's Word false regardless of my experiences or anyone elses. Many have left the church angry with God for many different reason. And I see that as a clear indication that believers are not being taught from their infacy to develop a personal intimate relationship with the Spirit of God and the Word. Many have lost loved ones who believe as I believe and recognize two major facts... 1. God is God and His Word is true. PERIOD 2. We are called to a personal and intimate relationship with Him in order to KNOW Him, and have HIM teach us and reveal the things of the spirit world that otherwise we can't comprehend. 3. While doing this when we face things beyond our understanding we must remember that we are human and GROWING in knowledge and faith. When we face things in life we do not understand, we must turn to God for answers, not run from Him. When I have blamed God for something (a long time ago) I had to humble myself and acknowledge that He is God and He loves me. If something was missed, He did not miss it,I did. Then rather than condemn myself for what I do not know, I sought Him more diligently to KNOW HIM more. That is the key to growing up through surrender. Simply put, Many 'believe' things taught without seeking God through the Holy Spirit for the spiritual revelation of the truth. When our faith is in what man has taught us and not in what God has revealed to us by His Holy Spirit, our faith is misplaced. Now as for this couple...I do not know what was going on in that situation in the spirit world, or in their own walk with God. I do not know what they believed or what they did not believe. And in reality no one else does. God KNOWS the heart. Again, judge nothing, either the 'faithful' or the 'unfaithful'. I do know God's Word is the only TRUTH. God bless God bless |