Subject: TKO, does God operate differently today? |
Bible Note: "The usage of the word gifts in 12:1 is not in the greek texts words in italics were added by the translators. The word another used throughout this chapter is greek (allos) meaning another of the same kind, the second of the two, three, four ..." The word "charisma" is used however, in verses 4, 9, 28, 30, and 31. And the whole passage speaks on gifts, and the whole weight of the passage is precisely dealing with strife based on having differing gifts and roles in the church. That is precisely what verses 15-18 address. Paul's argument makes no sense if what the other verses are really saying is that WE pick the gifts we want. It turns the entire chapter into nonsense. " In Vrs. 11 the pronoun is suppose be associaed to the nearest noun! HE goes back to te man, As the man wills or desires to manifest, or do we need to change the laws of language to fit your interpratation." No, you just need a better Greek teacher than the one you are reading. Please do not try to convince us that you know the rules of Koine Greek grammar. Your English usage demonstrates that languages are not your strong suit. The pronoun in Greek does NOT have to go with the nearest noun, and if verse 11 has the man deciding which spiritual gifts he has (so much for God's sovereignty!), what are we to make of verse 18? "But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired." --1 Corinthians 12:18 So who is the "He" referring to here? Members? That would be a "they." Body? Nope. It refers to God. Suprisingly enough, the Bible teaches that God is in charge of His church, and that He decides who will receive what gifts (and this chapter makes it clear that God does not intend every individual to have all of them--you keep avoiding verses 28-30). The "He" in verse 11 refers to God, because that is what makes sense in the context (very important in ANY kind of translation). The "He" in verse 18 refers to God as well. God distributes the gifts as He wills. God places people in different functions in the body of Christ as He wills. There is no other logical way to interpret Paul's discourse on the subject, because none of the rest of the chapter makes any sense at all without this rendering. You wrote: "Your with the false teachers. People like you put Calvin almost higher than Jesus himself." Hmmm...let's see. You are the one claiming that every translation of Scripture since the days of the early church has mistranslated 1 Corinthians 12. You are the one suggesting that every Greek class in every seminary is part of some vast conspiracy engineered by the dead modern church to "hide the truth" of what this chapter REALLY says. You accuse me of idolizing Calvin (whom I have not even mentioned once), but you pull some no-name guy's book down off the shelf and consider him some kind of authority on Greek grammar in the face of literally centuries of both secular and religious Greek scholarship that contradicts what he writes. And I am the one with the false teachers? Are you sincerely suggesting that God let His church basically disappear from the first decades of the first century, only to be revived/reborn at the beginning of the 20th? Come on! Do you have the slightest idea what dangerous theological ground you are on to even SUGGEST that the Spirit's work is dependent upon the will of His creation? Somehow I don't think you do. Your faulty twisting of Scripture makes man sovereign over the working of God. Again, the Spirit of God becomes the Force from Star Wars, to be molded and used and wielded as some invisible, prana-like energy field instead of the God that He is. Feel free to cling to heresy if you wish. You may "feel" whatever you like and claim it is from God. You may babble all you wish and declare non-tongues-speakers to be dead or weak or not even Christians. Your hysterics do nothing but dishonor the holy God of the universe who will hold you accountable for how incorrectly you handle His word. --Joe! |