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NASB | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead; why should I [continue to] fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him [when I die], but he will not return to me." |
Subject: do all babies and children go to heaven |
Bible Note: Where Do Babies go When They Die? Part 3 of 3) E: Christ's Act has brought life eternal for us. Leader: Upon acceptance, yes. This is where I have difficulty. Leader: Let's back up a bit. Someone please post Romans 5:18-19; everybody else get pencils ready. 18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. E: Okay, those verses sum up what I said previously. Through one, comes condemnation, the other, righteousness. Leader: Yes. Now, please post I Peter 1:10-11. E, if it's OK for us to be represented by Christ for salvation, we must also accept the sin imposed upon us (meaning humans) by Adam. I Peter 1:10-11: 10) Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you. 11) Searching what, or what manner of time the spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. It is very possible for to be save by God through Christ even if we don't understand all of the plan of Salvation -- this covers babies - born and unborn -, very young children, mentally challenged people. Make sense? "How many infants does God save in this way? Scripture does not tell us, so we simply cannot know. Where Scripture is silent, it is unwise for us to make definitive pronouncements. However, we should recognize that it is Gods frequent pattern throughout Scripture to save the children of those who believe in him." E: The one thing that keeps coming to me and is reinforced by the posts just sent is how God's Spirit testifies to those who do not or did not know about Christ. Leader: The salvation of those who cannot cognitively understand their sinful condition or Gods cure is a mystery. It is not clearly revealed to us. But we have shown above that it is possible and has happened with at least David’s son. II Samuel 12:23 tells us about David's infant son that died. Part of Gods nature is mercy and He bestows His mercy and His grace on whom He will. Since God is all knowing, He knows which babies will not have a chance at life outside the womb and if He wishes He can save them like David’s son. David is saying that he knows he cannot bring his son back to live. But he also knows he will REJOIN him in Heaven. The point is that God is perfectly fair. He gives each of us a time in our lives to choose to believe in Jesus Christ or not. Under normal circumstances, each of us will reach God consciousness (age of accountability). E: And how does he know this? He knows this because of the Spirit of Truth Leader: David was a man close to God's heart. Remember? Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart, and Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if happy they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: E: Each one will come to an age of consciousness of the Truth. Leader: Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all of your heart. What we call 'age of accountability. E: And yes, that will come to our heart's consciousness. leader: And God did this so men would seek Him and perhaps reach out to Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. I have drawn this conclusion: Obviously, not all of us are going to die prematurely i.e. babies. God made provision for those of us who die old and those who die as infants or before they are mature enough to understand the Plan of Salvation. How God does it is not my concern. He deliberately chose not to tell me that part, so I accept, by faith, that He has made a special provision for these little ones. Just as He made a special provision for old folks like me. I accept this only by faith - the same faith that I accept Christ as my Savior on. D: We might never know the answers to certain questions, until we get to heaven. E: I agree that God has chosen each one of us to be saved and that when and if he reveals this Truth to us, we should accept it. Leader: That's right. He may not choose to ever tell us. Anyone have any other questions? B: It answered my questions Leader: Started by placing their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the CLEAR REJECTION of God's revelation-whether general or specific- not simple ignorance of it. Luke 10:16: He that hearth you hearth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Now John 12:48 46. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. E: to make a willful decision, you must have knowledge of what the truth is Leader: Exactly!!BINGO!! |