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NASB | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead; why should I [continue to] fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him [when I die], but he will not return to me." |
Subject: do all babies and children go to heaven |
Bible Note: Where do Babies Go When They Die? (Part 2 of 3) E: The reason for this is that salvation is not an act of themselves. It is an act of God, His Son Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Leader. Wayne Grudem supports this view as well. He writes: "God is able to save infants in an unusual way, apart from their hearing and understanding the Gospel, by bringing regeneration to them very early, sometimes even before birth. This regeneration is probably also followed at once by a nascent, intuitive awareness of God and trust in him at an extremely early age, but this is something we simply cannot understand". E: I was asking you if you would simplify that. I don't think there is anything unusual about God choosing to bring an infant, unborn or child to him. B: The sentence...by bringing regeneration to them early E: I disagree that a child even needs to be restored. It sounds ridiculous to me that God would even deny an infant, unborn child or innocent child for any amount of time, when he has provided Christ even before any of us were born into sin. Leader: We are all born with a sin nature - even though a child never commits a sin – E: The sin nature… Leader: That sin nature must be covered. Right? E: Explain sin nature at birth. What exactly is a sin nature of an innocent baby? T: tendency to turn towards evil E: I have been researching this for over a week and the more I researched the more I am convinced! Seriously, do you think a child is born with sinful desires? Leader: Ps. 51:5 says we are conceived sinners, born (Ps. 58:3) Leader: E, God didn't ask for my opinion He just did it. E: I am sorry, I am frustrated with all the opinions I have found. I know that the consequence of Adam's sin for us is death. Leader: Logically and emotionally, every bone in my body refused to believe God would condemn an unborn child or a child too young to understand the plan of salvation, but God doesn't give us any definite answers. He gives us scripture to read and a direct 'hot line' to Him for guidance. We are to ask for His guidance. D: And trust in Him to be righteous Leader: Getting frustrated only makes it harder to draw the conclusion closest to His heart. E: Adam's Act has brought death to us, Leader: yes |