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NASB | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 2 Samuel 12:23 "But now he is dead; why should I [continue to] fast? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him [when I die], but he will not return to me." |
Subject: do all babies and children go to heaven |
Bible Note: Where Do Babies Go When They Die? (Part1 of 3) A Bible Study and Discussion Thu Sep 12, 2002, 21:16:19 CDT, Abba Father’s House 1 Bible Study Group Leader: This is a controversial topic, there are different schools of thought here depending on how you understand the concept of original sin. Different churches understand the doctrine differently. So before we go further, I'd like to look at the main passages from where this doctrine stems. Romans 5:12, 19 - "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned (...) For as through the one mans disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous. Here, Paul states that the sin of one man (Adam) has caused us all to be sinners. Paul links death and sin together and argues that we share in Adams death because we share in Adams sin Leader: Psalm 51:5 - "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me." Here we see the Psalmist noting that even at his birth he was considered sinful. This idea is reinforced by the command in Leviticus 12:7 for a sin offering after having a baby. Leviticus 12:5,7 (5) If she gives birth. (7) He shall offer them before the Lord to make atonement for here and then she will be ceremonially clean from her flow of blood. The history of St. Augustine and Pelagians needs to be looked into to completely understand the full impact. St. Augustine brought the doctrine of original sin to prominence in his writings against the Pelagians and their heresies. The Pelagians held that "every human being is by nature as pure as Adam was before he sinned." Augustine argued against the Pelagians to show original sin existed in every person. His argument can be summarized as follows: ((...before I go any further, there was a conference of several months, back in early history and these are the results of that conference of many, many theologians.) 1. Death is a consequent of Adams sin (see Genesis 3:19, 1 Cor. 15:21) 2. All men are Adams progeny, inheriting Adams conditions. 3. All men are mortal, prone to die. 4. Therefore, all men share in the consequent of Adams sin. 5. Therefore, all men have inherited Adams sin. E: we are all born into a sinful nature, yes. Leader: In the argument they made an explicit statement that salvation is "provided by God, through Jesus, to the repentant believing sinner". This statement is true. However, it also must be noted that the Old Testament saints were saved although they did not have a complete knowledge of the salvation act. Leader: 1 Peter 1:10-11 (10) Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, (11) trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. Leader: So it is possible to be saved by God through Christ even if you don’t understand all the facts of the Gospel. |