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81 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140684 | ||
EdB, Now that you have mentioned Luke 3:36, I see that you have discussed this before. I will check out the website that Tim referenced at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3748.asp Thanks, Pastor Glenn |
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82 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140817 | ||
No, It appears more likely that we have cirtain translations of Luke that have the extra name "Canain" inadvertantly added: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3748.asp Pastor Glenn |
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83 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140836 | ||
"I prefer to believe that we have at least one extant manuscript with the right original words. Is there any ancient manuscripts that leave out the name Canain? " Yes, this is what the article says: "... A clue to the solution is that the extra Cainan in Genesis 11 is found only in manuscripts of the LXX that were written long after Luke’s Gospel. The oldest LXX manuscripts do not have this extra Cainan." Have you read it closely? See it at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3748.asp Pastor Glenn |
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84 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140846 | ||
Hello EdB, http://graceandknowledge.faithweb.com/cainan.html: "However, Cainan does appear in the Greek Septuagint translation of Genesis: "Sons of Sem: Elam, and Assur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram, and Cainan . . . . And Arphaxad begot Cainan, and Cainan begot Sala. And Sala begot Heber . . . . And Arphaxad lived a hundred and thirty-five years, and begot Cainan. And Arphaxad lived after he had begotten Cainan, four hundred years, and begot sons and daughters, and died. And Cainan lived a hundred and thirty years and begot Sala; and Cainan lived after he had begotten Sala, three hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters, and died." (Gen. 10:22, 24; 11:12-13) Although many Greek Septuagint manuscripts of I Chronicles omit the second Cainan, many Septuagint copies show the following: "And Arphaxad begot Cainan, and Cainan begot Sala, and Sala begot Heber . . . . Sem, Arphaxad, Cainan, Sala, . . . ." (I Chron. 1:18, 24) " This looks even stranger. Notice above, how the entire list of names are repeated. Am I looking at this the wrong way? Pastor Glenn |
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85 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140850 | ||
Actually it was Tim Moran that gave the link to that website in another thread connected to Luke 3:36 (Thanks Tim). Pastor Glenn |
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86 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140864 | ||
I understand your concern EdB. I just see a much more difficult problem in loosing the name Cainan from Gen 11. The way this is written, I think it is called a "double linked list" of names between verses. It would have to have been dropped from at least 2 verses (12 and 13) and the wording would need to change in those verses. Also, 2 other complete verses (13.1 and 13.2) would have been dropped. Gen 11 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Salah four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. This is how it would have looked with Cainan inserted: 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Cainan. (changed) 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Cainan four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. (changed) 13.1 And Cainan hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. (dropped) 13.2 And Cainan liveth after his begetting Salah X years, and begetteth sons and daughters. (dropped) An inadvertent error in Luke 3:36 is one thing. But the changes to Gen 11 cannot be inadvertent. It would have to have been done on purpose. Do you see my point? "Let us not lose sight of a very important fact of this discussion that is the account of the Fall and the Garden of Eden was probably passed through Abraham’s generation but second or third hand knowledge of people that had talked to Adam. This is important since we see accurate secular history preserved from this time period thus giving us still another assurance of the accuracy of the Biblical account. " I agree. Pastor Glenn |
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87 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140909 | ||
Hello EdB, "The main thing that bothers me about the Cainan being added in Luke is that Luke himself apparently did in fact included it. Most give the reason for this as Luke copied the genealogy from an altered copy of the Septuagint. That is interesting but one would think that God being God and able to create the universe would have been able to insure his chosen writer, that was recording events for all of mankind, would have a faithful copy from which to take that Genealogy." The article at http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/3748.asp was written by Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, B.Sc. (Hons.), Ph.D., F.M. ( He has written many apologetics books. I am impressed by his biography at: http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/bios/j_sarfati.asp) and goes to great lengths to show that the second Cainan was not in the oldest copy of the Septuagint or the oldest copy of Luke. As support to it not being in older copies of the Septuagint, they quote a study by Mr. Larry Pierce. Mr Pierce, in turn, studies secular ancient writings of Josephus (AD 37/38 – c.100) to show that the extra Cainan was not in Josephus’ copy of the Septuagint. Even though Josephus’ copy contained most of the same errors (100 years added to each person in the genealogy), the extra Cainan was still not there. "Another thing that bothers me very much about the inadvertent addition of Cainan into the Septuagint theory is the fact the Septuagint was in existence at the time of Jesus and in fact some scholars feel certain that Jesus quoted from it. In any case the importance of that work had to be known to Jesus at the time. If Cainan was in fact added into any copy as some claim the name was I would think Jesus would have said, "hey you guys messed up." I know many claim the addition of Cainan didn’t happen until later when Luke was writing his account. But that doesn’t hold up against the theory the name was added to BC manuscripts and Septuagint manuscripts to add length to the Jewish culture to match Egyptian culture." Mr. Pierce summarizes: "I think we have more than enough evidence that would stand up in any court of law to show that every single copy we have of the LXX text was corrupted some time after AD 220. The copies of the LXX available to both Josephus and Africanus did not include this spurious generation. It is also not in either the Samaritan Pentateuch or the Hebrew manuscripts… …All these predate the New Testament Greek text. …" EdB, when you say "…that doesn’t hold up against the theory the name was added to BC manuscripts and Septuagint manuscripts…", do you count the Samaritan Pentateuch or the Hebrew manuscripts? Happy New Year, Pastor Glenn |
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88 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140910 | ||
EdB, "Let me present this theory If Reese going back is fifty years later and your going forward is fifty years sooner. Perhaps the reconciliation is a missing GENERATION. Cainan if added would make Jacobs birth later thus reconciling Reese to your calculations that Jacob would have been fifty when Shem died." Since we must use the Hebrew scriptures as the final authority, then the secular sources are secondary and put into doubt when they do not agree. Gen 11 12And Arphaxad hath lived five and thirty years, and begetteth Salah. 13And Arphaxad liveth after his begetting Salah four hundred and three years, and begetteth sons and daughters. So there can be no doubt that Arphaxad was 35 years old when Salah was born. And Arphaxad lived 403 years after Salah was born. Every Hebrew copy of Gen 11:12-13 does not include Cainan. No one doubts that Moses wrote Genesis in Hebrew. While the question remains concerning why older versions of Luke 3:36 did not include the second Cainan, and later copies did; no dates (years) are available anywhere that can be used to account for when he was born or when he died. So even if we could determine that he did in fact exist, the frustrating thing is, we cannot use any known dates to change our count of years from Adam.[:-(] Pastor Glenn |
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89 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140916 | ||
"The argument for the majority texts is, the number of them carry the weight and since their in agreement it is safe to assume they are the most accurate. The counter to this is while they may be most numerous they could have their origin in one corrupted text. In many ancient secular manuscripts this has been seen over and over, so one has to ask could this be the case here." "Two or three witnesses" is biblically the accepted way to go: Deuteronomy 19:15 [ The Law Concerning Witnesses] "One witness shall not rise against a man concerning any iniquity or any sin that he commits; by the mouth of two or three witnesses the matter shall be established. "Since it has no real effect on the true message of scriptures one wonders if it isn’t just causing us to lose focus on the real issues of the Bible. " Amen |
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90 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140918 | ||
"However you working strictly on the age at conception and death going forward from Adam place Jacob at about 50 years old at the time of Shem's death. That difference is approximately one generation. " My point is that biblically, the years between Adam's creation and Shem's death is solidly 2156 years. The actual BC year can vary based on external evidence, but as you can see, I do have a real problem seeing flexibility in the scriptures here. So I guess I am missing your point on purpose. :-) Sorry, Pastor Glenn |
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91 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140919 | ||
EdB, Your right. Majority text is probably not as good as Majority "Sources" (Josephus, Africanus, 1Ch1:24, 2Ch, Targum, Beza’s most ancient Greek copy of Luke). "Sources" is probably closer to what is meant by "witnesses" in Deut 19:15. Pastor Glenn |
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92 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140923 | ||
EdB, I wanted to thank you for engaging me in this thread, as I have really learned a lot. I certainly knew nothing about the second Cainan. I hope that I have not said anything offensive. If I ever do, please excuse me. God Bless, Pastor Glenn |
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93 | Did Shem exit the Ark at 98, outlv Abrm? | Gen 11:10 | Pastor Glenn | 140946 | ||
Hello cast net, Great idea. Prayer is always in order. I notice you close with SHALOM. Are you a Messianic Jew? If so, I am glad to see that you love Jesus Christ. After all, the Gospel is to the "Jew first". Happy New Year, Pastor Glenn |
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94 | Decendents of Ishmael and/or Esau? | Gen 25:13 | Pastor Glenn | 79677 | ||
Thank you EdB, Your answer is very interesting. |
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95 | Why the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob? | Gen 50:24 | Pastor Glenn | 85233 | ||
beva, I like Jesus' answer as He biblically proves the doctrine of resurrection of the dead: Mark 12 26But concerning the dead, that they rise, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the burning bush passage, how God spoke to him, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'?[3] 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken." |
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96 | Homosexuality and Christianity? | Leviticus | Pastor Glenn | 66566 | ||
Defender, You said, “Why are homosexuals nt accepted - is it true that their sexuality is a result of their genes? Does God accept homosexuals? Can homosexuals be Christians? Answer: Because of Leviticus 18:22 chritains beleive that this small statement, is more truer than genetics and science, they beleive homosexuality is a choice that can be changed! But if god created us in his image, he created us the way we are, and god love all of his creations! “ The bottom line for “heterosexuals” (let alone homosexuals) is that all sex acts is a choice. God did not create us in our present state. Our present state is with a “sin nature” that is the result of the “fall” of mankind. Sin nature gave us a selfish, lustful, and rebellious attitude to the things of God. Defender, the real question is whether we want to shed our sin nature by being “born again”. (Read John chapters 3 and 4) You said, “There have been 27'000 editions of the bible as far as i know, and in my beleive, each edition may have been altered to say what was the current moralistic view of the people, also there are a lot of words in the hebrew and greek that can not be fully translated into todays english! “ “The bible has many contradictions, so it would be worth while researching the bible, the torah and make up your own mind, then that is your beleive and yes you can call yourself christian and be homosexual if thats what you beleive in! I myself do beleive homosexuality is ok, mainly for the scientific prove that keeps unfolding, and for the fact that god created us in his image! “ If you do not believe the bible is accurate enough, then studying it is useless for you. But, I tell you that it is extremely accurate! Now the deeper question is whether we want to be saved from our sins and be changed by God from the inside out. He did it for me and He will do it for you if you invite Him to! Pastor Glenn |
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97 | old testament salvation | Lev 18:25 | Pastor Glenn | 140124 | ||
Hello Angel, You asked: "... now, do you think that Adam and Eve were cognizant of God's Design (Genesis 3:15); do you think that they clearly understood that thousands of years later there would be a Messiah, who would die for their sins and that they would be granted Life if they but Believed?" Well it is clear that someone taught Cain and Abel the need to offer sacrifices. Also, by faith Abel offered a more excellent sacrifice than did Cain. How did Abel know to offer a more excellent sacrifice? The answer is by believing God's Word and acting on the Word in faith. Remember how God personally counseled with Cain before he killed Abel, but instead of acting on God's Word, he murdered his brother. No faith in the Word. I checked the lifetimes. Adam lived until Enoch was 308. I wanted to point out that Noah lived until Abraham was 60 and Shem (Abraham's ancestor) outlived Abraham to see Jacob's 50th birthday (I think I added right). The point is that living witnesses were always present to present "living epistles". You quoted this verse: Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? I feel that Christ's point was not so much as to whether Abraham had seen a pre-incarnate Christ. I feel that the point was that Abraham looked forward to his Redeemer coming into the word as the Seed of a woman and as the Seed that would bless the whole world (Gal 3:8,16). I feel this way after reading verses like this: Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. You asked: "Does the Old Testament speak of God's prophets being sent to the pagans?" Yes, Jonah for one. God has always told man more than enough to be saved. When we respond to His enlightenment, He gives us even more light. That God was going to provide a Redeemer has always been told. That His righteousness becomes ours has aways been told. That faith in the Word is required for salvation has always been told. The Tree of Life was a "Type" of Christ. Noah's Ark clearly represented a "Type" of Christ as the "Way" of salvation. Here are a bunch of scriptures that I thought would be good to be aware of: Luk 4:25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; Luk 4:26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian. Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. Pastor Glenn |
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98 | salvation for demons? | Lev 18:25 | Pastor Glenn | 140604 | ||
Hello Angel, "... since they would not repent and obey, there is no Salvation for them!" Also, Jesus died as a man, as He paid the penalty of the death centance. We humans have the "advantage" of being able to shed our flesh and blood: 1 Corinthians 15 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."[g] 55 "O Death, where is your sting?[h] O Hades, where is your victory?"[i] The angels are already immortal. They cannot be "born again" of the Spirit like we can. Remember that Jesus had to become completely human before dying for us: Heb 10 5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. The angels cannot have their sins taken away from their spiritual bodies. They have nothing to shed. Their corruption is in their spiritual bodies. They cannot shed there corrupt nature. They cannot change back holy. How could the debt of death be paid by a "physical" death of Christ? Any comments? Pastor Glenn |
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99 | What feature of their births did they do | 1 Sam 1:20 | Pastor Glenn | 66886 | ||
Searcher, Wow, youare right. That is so thorough. You are a treasure to this forum because you treasure the word of God. Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. Pastor Glenn |
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100 | Agnostic? Indifferent? Undecided? Hesita | 1 Kin 18:21 | Pastor Glenn | 142467 | ||
1 Kings 18:21 Elijah came near to all the people and said, "How long will you hesitate between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow Him; but if Baal, follow him." But the people did not answer him a word. Agnostic? Indifferent? Undecided? Hesitant? Adam and Eve were made with free will. If Satan had not tempted Eve, would they have remained in the garden forever? Why did God allow Satan into the garden? Why did He put the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil into the garden? Should God let us remain indifferent towards Him? Any Comments? Pastor Glenn |
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