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41 | is God the father of everyone ? | Gen 1:27 | zach† | 35881 | ||
jajoje: The idea that everyone is a child of God is simply not true. We are all God's by creation, but we are not all His children positionally. We only become His children positionally when we are born (or adopted) into His family spiritually. We all receive a physical birth, but we have not all received the spiritual rebirth (to be born again). We need to receive the second, or new birth. That is; to be born of the Spirit. John 3:5-6 (this is not a physical birth, but it means to be made alive spiritually) That which is born of the flesh (from earthly parents) is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit (God our Heavenly parent) is spirit. John 3:6 See also John 1:12-13 Jesus said you must be born again. John 3:7 Unless you are born again, you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. John 3:3-5 AS MANY AS ARE LEAD BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD THEY ARE THE SONS OF GOD. Romans 8:14 As many as are led by the spirit of Satan they are the sons of Satan. The Bible talks of two different spiritual fathers, both having children. 1 John 3:10 mentions the children of God, and the children of the devil. See also Acts 13:10 They who are children of the flesh, are not the children of God Romans 9:8 In Romans 9:22 and 23 we see that there are children of wrath fit for destruction, and children of mercy fit for glory. Ephesians 2:2 mentions the spirit that is now at work in the children of disobedience. The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. Romans 8:16 I speak to my children, open wide your hearts. Don't be unequally joined together with unbelievers. What part has he that is a believer with an unbeliever. Therefore separate yourselves from the unbelievers and I will be a Father to you, and you will be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Corinthians 6:13-18 We are also told in 2 Corinthians 4:4 that; Satan has blinded the minds of them that do not believe. Grace and Peace zach† |
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42 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35877 | ||
Dear brother John; This argument we are discussing goes back hundreds of years, and believers on either side of this topic can find scripture to support their postion concerning it. I doubt that we are going to settle this debate. I know for me personally the topic has been settled, and I'm sure you also believe it is a settled issue in your mind. We both read the same Bible and come away with different thoughts on the same topic which is basically a non-essential topic. However if you want scripture from the New Testament to let you know why I believe as such, then here is a basic list of scripture you can look over. John 15:1-6 Romans 11:21-22 2 Thess. 2:1-3 1 Tim. 4:1 5;12 Heb. 6:4-7 Heb. 10:26-31 2 Pet. 2:20-22 Rev. 2:4 Rev. 3:1-5 Just to name a few Seeing how both sides find scripture to support what they believe, and scripture isn't in error, then our understanding of scripture is what has to be faulty. I try to find balance in all scripture, because if one verse seems to contradict another verse, I have to believe thats not possble. So I have to take all of scripture, ESPECIALLY those verses that seem to contradict each other, and find how to reconcile the two together, and that I believe I have done. Let me give you a seeming contadiction from scripture as an EXAMPLE of how I reconcile the seeming differences. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast. and James 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD? Now, do James and Paul disagree on "works?" I don't think they do. If you continue reading Eph. 2:10 Paul says: Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, CREATED in Christ Jesus UNTO GOOD WORKS, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Paul also said: Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that THEY WHICH HAVE BELIEVED IN GOD MIGHT BE CAREFUL TO MAINTAIN GOOD WORKS. So I conclude from both Paul and James that once I become a believer, I should maintain good works. I don't work to BECOME saved, I work BECAUSE I have been saved. Works in the life a believer is the evidence of salvation. Well enough of my rambling on God Bless you as you daily submit yourself to Him zach† |
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43 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35769 | ||
dear brother John; Yes thats is an agreeable definition of regeneration. It works for me. You quoted the following verse: Heb. 13:5 "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee". I believe that with all my heart. However scipture also says: Thus saith the Lord, ye have forsaken me, and therefore have I also left you (2 Chr. 12:5) The Lord is with you, while ye be with him ... but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. (2 Chr. 15:2) because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also forsaken you. (2 Chr. 24:20) I will even forsake you saith the Lord. (Jer. 23:33) Therefore, behold, I, even I, will utterly forget you, and I will forsake you ... and cast you out of my presence. (Jer. 23:39) God will never just decide to forsake any believer, ever! Yet, the believer may decide to forsake Him. Once a believer has forsaken God He then will give them up to themselves and forsake them. This does not contradict that He will never leave or forsake a believer, rather it affirms that God is not the one who does the forsaking. If we fall from the faith, it doesn’t reflect negatively upon God’s faithfulness, but rather on our unfaithfulness So from all of my replys thus far, I have stated: 1) I do not personally accept "Limited Atonement teaching 2) I disagree with the teaching of "Irresistable Grace" 3) and now I have declared to also be in disagreement with the teaching of "Perseverance of the Saints" But I respectfully disagree with those teachings, and still enjoy all your replys. I believe we can disagree on the non-essentials of our faith and still be brothers in Christ. It is in the areas of essentials that we are possibly in much greater agreement. essentials such as, Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, He was buried, and He was raised from the dead on the third day, and is now seated on the right hand of God the Father interceding before Him on our behalf. And that no one comes to the Father except through Christ Jesus. By grace are we saved through faith, and that not of ourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast. For we are God's workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. God richly bless you as you daily spend time with Him in His word, looking prayerfully unto Him for guidance and direction. zach† |
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44 | Thanks, but what about....? | Eph 2:5 | zach† | 35760 | ||
Dear charis; Greetings in the name of Jesus! "I take it that you have not served in an inner city mission for the homeless." Well I have and still do volunteer work inside our local food kitchen, and clothing closet. I don't know if that counts. "Even a few weeks of serving meals and preaching to the derelicts and addicts and 'professional welfare recipients" I would say that basically describes the people I come in contact with at the food kitchen. It appears to me that you work in evangelism and ministering to the lost, and thats excellent. PTL However most things I discuss are not evangelistic in nature. So I think part of the problem we have in our discussions is you try to bring all discussions into an evangelical train of thinking. And if your God given giftedness is in evangelism, again I say PTL. The issues I speak on are more doctrinal, rather than evangelical in nature. It is highly unlikely that I would discuss the same things I have mentioned in most my my replys with babes in Christ, or those with seeker sensitive hearts. My reply's were intended and geared more for those who have reached some level of maturity in their walk with Christ Jesus. In scripture we read of new born babes who need milk and are not ready for meat. And even for those who are serving as evangelists, the scriptural command to them is clear: Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. So please don't try to fit all my thoughts into an evangelical mold. They were not intended to be evangelical in nature. I merely present my thoughts, and open them up for discussion. For agreement or disagreement. Finally Cultures may change, but Jesus never changes. (Christ Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever Heb. 13:8) Jesus can transcend cultures Grace peace and love zach† |
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45 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35754 | ||
CDBJ; I couldn't agree with you more... Big difference between the tribulation, and the wrath of God which are yet future but separate events. But thank God we are delivered from the wrath to come. God Bless you zach† |
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46 | Study the Word, Calvin, or Aminian??? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 35720 | ||
childoftheking; Other books on this topic which are availabe would include: 1)The Other Side Of Calvinism - by Laurence M. Vance 2) Chosen but free: A Balanced View of Divine Election - by Norman L. Geisler 3)The Death Christ Died - by Robert P. Lightner You can also do a web search for an article by Puritan, John Goodwin entitled "A puritan Defense of Unlimited Atonement" Grace peace, and love; May God richly bless you as you daily submit yourself to Him. zach† |
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47 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35717 | ||
CDBJ; As a new believer I too once accepted the pre-trib rapture theory. But after years of reading and re-reading scripture, I began to see portions of scripture that to me proves the false-hood of the pre-trib theory. Inside me there is a desire to wish the pre-trib theory were true, but being the realist I am, scripture tells me pre-trib is not true. So in that sense I agree with you. May the God of all grace abound and give you His love and peace. zach† |
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48 | Thanks, but what about....? | Eph 2:5 | zach† | 35666 | ||
Bgg you said: "no man can pluck us from His or His Father's hand but we can walk or jump out?" and to that we can agree then Grace and peace zach† |
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49 | Thanks, but what about....? | Eph 2:5 | zach† | 35628 | ||
Please excuse me for butting in here Concerning the question: is salvation a process or one time event, the answer is yes. The new birth is a one time past tense event for each born-again believer. Salvation is a broad term which I like to say is like an umbrella. Underneath the umbrella of salvation is, justification, sanctification, and glorification, which understood in their proper forms indicate that salvation is also a process or ongoing work in each and every believer. We are growing in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior. I would like to add a few points to this "ship and shore" illustration also. First: In Scripture we read of two who made shipwreck of their faith. 1 Tim. 1:19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. Their ship of faith crashed against the rocks and was busted up and sunk. Maybe their faith was too shallow. I use that pun because the rocks were in shallow and troubled waters Secondly if you like illustrations on this, I will provide this one: Bill Jones is fishing several miles out in the ocean. His boat capsizes and sinks to the bottom. He is unable to swim to safety. Just then another fishing boat comes along, but it is so heavily loaded that it is impossible to take on another passenger. Because they want to rescue the doomed man, however the crew throws him a rope. "Here take this rope," they say. "We will tow you to shore." As he takes the rope, Bill Jones says, "Thank God, I am saved!" And he is saved, as long as he holds on to the rope. Salvation is his, but he has to play a part in it. If he should at any time release his grasp on the rope and refuse to take it again, he would be lost. So it is with a person who has been rescued from sin. He remains saved as long as he holds on to the hand of Christ. If he should decide to release that hand, he would be lost. Actually one can properly speak of salvation in three tenses - past, present, and future. He can say, "I have been saved" when he takes the rope, "I am being saved" as he is being towed to shore; and "I shall be saved" when he plants his feet firmly on shore. Does the fact that the man must cling to the rope to be saved, mean that we can earn our salvation by our works? Absolutely not. Remember he was being towed by a power other than his own. He was merely co-operating with that power. He was holding onto the rope. He had to do that in order to be pulled to safety. Grace and peace zach† |
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50 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35623 | ||
CDBJ The following scripture comes to mind; Therefore be on the alert, for YOU do not know which day YOUR LORD is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the theif was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason YOU be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when YOU do not think He will (Matthew 24:42-44 NASB) The question I have for you my friend is concerning those pronouns in this text. The words "you" and "your" Who is Jesus speaking to ? Is "you" and "your" in this text referring to believers or unbelievers? Who is this text addressed to? I personally believe Jesus is speaking to believers. The reason I believe that can be seen in verse 42 where it says; "your Lord" That could not be referring to the unsaved. And look at what He says in verse 44: "you be ready" (be ready is a key phrase) "you be ready ... for the Son of Man is coming at an hour WHEN YOU DO NOT THINK HE WILL." We are to be patiently waiting for His return. We are to be prepared and ready at all times.(see Luke 12:35-40 on this also) Finally, just one more excellent verse concerning being prepared and ready: Rev. 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (KJV) Grace and peace zach† |
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51 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35615 | ||
CDBJ; Yes I have been to signministries.org in the past. And yes it is interesting. Grace and Peace zach† |
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52 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35607 | ||
CDBJ; Think about this: Many of the things Jesus said offended many religious people. So if we quote Jesus are we expecting to win the world's favor? Grace Peace and love zach† |
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53 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35603 | ||
bgg; God bless your heart You stated: "I still know that the Ant-Christ is coming to decieve the world" Scripture says: 1John 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. So as you also stated "continue to hold to the truth and to your faith" that sounds like a good plan. God bless you Grace and peace zach† |
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54 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35589 | ||
Mommapbs; I do respect your right to hold to whatever it is you believe about this topic or any other topic. I sense a note of being offended, in this reply from you. My intention in discussing this topic wasn't to offend. I merely wanted to discuss this topic with anyone who CHOSE to do so. Grace peace and love zach† |
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55 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35588 | ||
dear brother John; When I personally consider an answer to any question, I first must see what scripture says: Secondly, I begin to collect my thoughts, whether correct, or incorrect, considering such things as the fall of the human race through the sin of Adam, and how everyone since the fall has been born dead spiritually, with an inherited sin nature. and cannot will to please God. But at the same time I also believe that when regeneration comes to the individual, and that from God. We then have been given new natures, our will to do good and please God has been restored back from the original fall. But at the same time when the light comes to many individuals, they reach for the light switch and say no thank you to the light they received. But if I go any deeper into this topic then I would have to bring up the fact of how I also disagree with the "Irresistable Grace" of TULIP also, and seeing how the initial question was concerning "Limited Atonement" also called "Particular Redemption" I will try to stick to the initial question, and reserve the "Irresistable Grace" thoughts for later. Those are just some thoughts I share about my line of thinking, and when all is said and done, I still have to go back to scripture, as I know you also do to find correct answers concerning spiritual matters. May God richly bless you as you daily spend time alone with Him in His word zach† |
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56 | Tribulation before rapture? | Matthew | zach† | 35562 | ||
Steve; Can you support that with scripture? Peace zach† |
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57 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35561 | ||
CDBJ; To that I say AMEN and AMEN zach† |
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58 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35560 | ||
Mommapbs; The only thing that truly matters in any discussion of scripture is that we agree with scripture. The problem in incorect interpretation of scripture concerning this topic is that it could lead some to believe that the tribulation could not come in their life-time, because they have been told that they will be raptured before the tribulation. And if that is not true then when the tribulation comes, they will be confused, becasue they have been told that they would not be around when it happens and be caught off guard. So thats why it's important. Scripture has the final say. It's the final authority for all faith and practice. God richly bless zach† |
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59 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35557 | ||
Brother John I too enjoy all our discussions; To answer your question to the best of my knowledge: You asked: "My question is: Why do some men hate the light but other men love the Light." Scripture says: John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. They enjoy sin and evil deeds, and reject what light they have been given. Grace Peace and love in the precious name of Christ Jesus our blessed Savior and Lord. zach† |
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60 | Is Limited Atonement Bibical? | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35539 | ||
Dear John in light of your statement which I now quote: "Christ is made known and held out to the view of all, but the elect alone are they whose eyes God opens" I ask you to consider the following scripture: John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. Jesus gives light to EVERY MAN THAT COMES INTO THE WORLD. To me that would indicate that every man born physically into this world has received light. No man that has ever come into the world can blame God for not receiving enough light to move them to either 1) respond to the light or 2) reject the light and bring damnation upon themselves. However in the end they will be without excuse. Rom. 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE: Grace and Peace zach† |
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