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161 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 34286 | ||
CDBJ; Just thought I would pass along this note concerning the word "if" in Heb. 6:6 there is no conditional participle present in the Greek text to support any claims that the word “if” in Heb. 6:6 was in the original text. The writer in Hebrews simply says to us …. kai parapesontas – “and they have fallen away” (second aorist active participle). The Greek conjunction “kai” usually means “and” has an adversative force here, meaning and yet. The writer is saying “they had all these blessings and yet in spite of all this, they have still fallen away” (A.T. Robertson) In Christ zach† |
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162 | Hebrews 6:4 | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 34285 | ||
Lionstrong; In your post you stated: "this passage cannot be talking about a true believer" and you also stated; "The label attached to my theological persuasion is Reformed" While I personally don't claim to be of either the Reformed or Remonstrant persuasion , many will label me as being slanted toward one persuasion more than the other. However the label I prefer is Christian... a follower of Christ. Having said that, I will appeal to you from the words of a famous Reformed preacher and as to whether he thought those mentioned in Heb 6 were true Christian's even though he still maintained his "Eternal Security" position. Charles H.Spurgeon on Heb. 6:4-6 (Are those mentioned true and real Christian's) "We come to this passage (Hebrews 6:4-6) ourselves with the intention to read it with the simplicity of a child, and whatever we find therein to state it;and if It may not seem to agree with something we have hitherto held, we are prepared to cast away every doctrine of our own, rather than one passage of scripture." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "A child reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here. How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of I think that I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described. First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened, This refers to the enlightening influence of God's Spirit .... I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God. The next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation. We cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift, No, my brethren, If I have tasted of the heavenly gift, I am one of his. No man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate. Further..... they have tasted the good word of God .... I say again, if these people be not believers-who are? They had received the powers of the world to come.... powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian. These, we say, whatever may be the meaning of the text, must have been, beyond a doubt, none other than true and real Christians" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) God richly bless you as you daily spend time with Him in His word In Christ zach† |
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163 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 34062 | ||
kalo; Thank you for responding to the note which I delivered to you. I notice that you replied with a explanation from John McArthur, which I have previously read. It is my contention that McArthur along with those of the Reformed faith must define Heb. 6:4-5 to fit their doctrine of Perseverance of the faith. I know I sent you some comments on this much debated scripture from Spurgeon, who himself was a Calvinist, and who also believed in Perseverance of the saints, however it is also my contention that even though Spurgeon seemingly believed that those mentioned in Heb 6 were true Christian's, later on he contradicts his initial thoughts as he so often did in other commentaries as well. No matter what the Holy Spirit was trying to reveal to him about the text, the final authority for him, as others like McArthur became Calvinism. Remove Calvinism, Arminianism and all other ism's and then we begin to see Scripture through the Holy Spirit's teaching. That is not to say McArthur and others were not led in their understanding of Scripture by the Holy Spirit, but in this text they have tried to make Calvinism the authoritive teaching. Heb. 6:6 is especially clear when it states: "and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again." the word "renew" here is anakainosis - meaning COMPLETE change for the better the term "fall away" indicates that they fell away from the faith. I contend that you cannot fall from a cliff without first being on a cliff, as you cannot fall from the faith without first being in the faith. see 1 Tim 4:1 also Thank you agian for your time God richly bless you as you spend time with Him in His word zach |
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164 | what does this mean, is there no hope? | Heb 6:4 | zach† | 33986 | ||
kalos; I am new to this forum and was checking over some past debates and thought that if appropriate I would revive this thread by adding a few comments concerning Heb. 6:4-6 I found from Charles Spurgeon. Also I have enjoyed reading other posts of yours :) Having said that I will now post the comments of Spurgeon I mentioned. Spurgeon on Heb. 6:4-6 (Those mentioned are true and real Christian's) "We come to this passage (Hebrews 6:4-6) ourselves with the intention to read it with the simplicity of a child, and whatever we find therein to state it; and if It may not seem to agree with something we have hitherto held, we are prepared to cast away every doctrine of our own, rather than one passage of scripture." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "a child reading this passage, would say, that the persons intended by it must be Christians. If the Holy Spirit intended to describe Christians, I do not see that he could have used more explicit terms than there are here." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "How can a man be said to be enlightened, and to taste of the heavenly gift, and to be made partaker of the Holy Ghost, without being a child of God?" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "I think that I shall be able to show that none but true believers are here described." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "First, they are spoken of as having been once enlightened, This refers to the enlightening influence of God's Spirit .... I cannot consider a man truly enlightened unless he is a child of God." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "the next thing that God grants to us is a taste of the heavenly gift, by which we understand, the heavenly gift of salvation." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "we cannot think that the Holy Spirit would describe an unregenerate man as having been enlightened, and as having tasted of the heavenly gift, No, my brethren, If I have tasted of the heavenly gift, I am one of his." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "no man can be a partaker of the Holy Ghost, and yet be unregenerate." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) 'further..... they have tasted the good word of God .... I say again, if these people be not believers-who are?" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "They had received the powers of the world to come.... powers with which the Holy Ghost endows a Christian." (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) "These, we say, whatever may be the meaning of the text, must have been, beyond a doubt, none other than true and real Christians" (Charles Haddon Spurgeon) |
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165 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33937 | ||
excellent point kin In Christ zach |
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166 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 33936 | ||
Curt: Carefully Re-read John 15:2 and you will see that it says "He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit" But nevertheless even though they were "cut off," they were still said to be "in him" That part of this text is over-looked by most. In Christ zach |
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167 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | zach† | 33935 | ||
Emmaus: You are entitled to your intrepretation of John 3:5 and other verses you posted however, I do not think that "born of water" in John 3 :5 refers to baptism. Nowhere is baptism referred to here or implied. This passage talks about a birth, not a baptism. And we know that we can play no role in our birth either physically or spiritually. A corpse cannot birth itself by any act or ritual. Birth or being born "is from above" So to say that spiritual life comes by us submitting to an earthly element such as water is to mis-construe the correct meaning of John 3 In Christ zach |
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168 | cut off | Rom 11:22 | zach† | 33934 | ||
Robert; you stated: "To suggest that we can lose our salvation goes against the promise of the Lord Jesus "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16 " To believe is a continual act, and is active, not passive. Also the word believe is a verb, which denotes continual maintenance. In Christ zach |
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169 | baptismal regeneration? | John 3:3 | zach† | 33933 | ||
Emmaus; I just posted my profile which will show your observations are not accurate Love in Christ zach |
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170 | Some will depart from the faith | 1 Tim 4:1 | zach† | 33932 | ||
Tim; Thank you brother, and I fully agree with your response. Thank you for all the supportive scripture also. Let me add that John 15:2,6 is also very good scripture to use concerning this sensitive subject. John 15:2,6 talks about those "in him" who do not continue to "abide" (meaning remain in him) that they will be cut off, become withered and dry, gathered and cast into the fire. God bless you in your service of Him In Christ zach |
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171 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33929 | ||
charis; I have enjoyed your well thought out responses to my questions and notes, and i think we pretty much think the same on this issue even though our wording and understanding differs somewhat. I too believe salvation is personal to each individual. I believe that God, and not man inititates salvation, that He is the author, and also the finisher of salvation. As concerning the sanctification process which you briefly mentioned, I think that is a topic not dicussed in detail as often as it should be. When I mention salvation, I see salvation as an umbrella under which are justification, sanctification (both initial, and ongoing), and also glorification. I think that in order to properly understand salvation, which is a broad term, one must first have a good working knowledge of the terms I justy mentioned, and if I read you correctly, I believe that you do. Let me give you my basic definition of these 3 terms: Salvation is in 3 tenses Justification-we have been saved (past tense) from the penalty of sin. Sanctification- we are being saved (present tense) from the power of sin Glorification - we yet shall be saved (future tense) from the presence of sin sanctification is not merely activism in the sense that everything depends on me, neither is sanctification merely passivism, meaning just let God do it for me. But true Bibical sanctification is us co-operating with the Holy Spirit as He works with us and allowing Him to work through us. Sanctification becomes a quality of life through a two-way relationship: the believer in Christ, and Christ in the believer: The Holy Spirit working in us as we co-operate with Him (Sanctification is not passive) Justification is by faith, Sanctification is by faithfulness. Justification is for the repentant sinner. Sanctification is for the surrendered disciple. Glorification is for the victorious saint. Justification takes care of the past. Sanctification takes care of the present. Glorification takes care of the future. Yours in Christ zach |
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172 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33924 | ||
ank; So basically your saying God is the conductor on the train which leads to hell. Is that correct? |
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173 | What is Free Will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33923 | ||
Lionstrong; Rather than give a definition for what I think "free will" is, I would rather just basically say that God does not create us to be robot's. | ||||||
174 | What is Free Will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33922 | ||
Curt Thank you, and I agree with that In Christ zach |
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175 | do we have any free will? | Bible general Archive 1 | zach† | 33566 | ||
Kin; Scripture says: God will never leave us or forsake us. And you can believe that is true. The other side of the coin is, we can forsake Him. The LORD is with you, while ye be with him; and if ye seek him, he will be found of you; but if ye forsake him, he will forsake you. (2 Chr. 15:2) and other verses as well. |
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176 | Some will depart from the faith | 1 Tim 4:1 | zach† | 33516 | ||
Robert; Thank-you for your response. I totally agree with your post. Another good verse is: Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you - unless indeed you fail the test? 2 Cor. 13:5 Christian's will desire to examine theirselves to see what evidence there is of saving faith and salvation. I don't think this is a once for all time done examining process, but we should desire to continually examine and test our profession. Thank you again Robert |
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177 | Some will depart from the faith | 1 Tim 4:1 | zach† | 33448 | ||
Robert; I appreciate your comments and will post some scripture for you to think about and possibly comment on. The same Saviour who said, "I give unto them eternal life and they shall never perish" (Jn. 10:28) also said, "Strive to enter by the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able." (Lk. 13:23-24) The same apostle Peter who said, "In his great mercy he has given us new birth . . . into an inheritance that can never perish" (1 Pet. 1:3-4) also said "Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure" (2 Pet. 1:10) Paul who said nothing "will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Rom. 8:39) also said, "I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize" (1 Cor. 9:27) |
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178 | fall upward? | 1 Tim 4:1 | zach† | 33446 | ||
Robert; Sorry I took so long to respond, but I have been super busy, and will at this time only give one short comment for your consideration. Security for branches depends on their remaining connected to the vine. Read John 15:1-6 |
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179 | fall upward? | 1 Tim 4:1 | zach† | 33442 | ||
charis; They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for awhile believe, and in time of temptation FALL away. KJV(Lk. 8:13 Mark 4:16-17) Fall in the above verse is the greek word aphistemi, which means to depart, or apostatize from ones once held profession of faith. In the above verse notice: 1. they hear the word 2. they receive the word with joy 3. But they have no root (this refers merely to the shallowness of their faith, or lack of depth) 4. They believe for awhile 5. Then FALL away (they don’t endure to the end) However they were believers for a time who did become apostates There is an eternal "if" in every consideration of eternal security. IF we walk in the light; IF that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son; IF any man draw back; IF a man abide not in me, he is cast forth; IF a man keep my saying: IF thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off: IF ye do these things, ye shall never fall; IF we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end; IF we endure; IF we deny Him, He also will deny us; IF we sin willfully..there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins; IF ye forsake Him, He will forsake you; ye are my friends IF ye do whatsoever I command you; IF ye live after the flesh, ye shall die. proponents who deny that salvation can never be lost, reason on the subject in a marvelous way. They tell us, that no virgin's lamp can go out; (Matt. 25:8) that no promising harvest be chocked with thorns; (Matt. 13:22) no branch in Christ can ever be cut off from fruitfulness; (John 15:6) that no name blotted out of God's book! (Rev. 3:5) They insist that no salt can ever lose its savor; (mat 5:13) salt that loses its saltiness, no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled under foot. Matt. 5:13 that nobody can ever "receive the grace of God in vain"; (2 Cor. 6:1) bury his talents' (Matt. 25:25) "neglect such great salvation"; (Heb. 2:3) "look back" after putting his hand to the plow. (Luke 9:62) That Nobody can "grieve the Spirit" (Eph 4:30) till He is "quenched," (1 Thess. 5:19) nor "deny the Lord that bought them" nor "bring upon themselves swift destruction." 2 Pet. 2:1 That Nobody, or body of believers, can ever get so lukewarm that Jesus will spew them out of His mouth. Rev 3:16 They use reams of paper to argue that if one ever got lost he was never found; that if one falls, he never stood. If one was ever cast forth, he was never in and if one ever withered, (John 15:6) he was never green. And that if one draws back, (Heb 10:38) he never had anything to draw back from. That if one ever falls into spiritual darkness, he was never enlightened; that if you again get entangled in the pollutions of the world, (2 Pet. 2:20-22) it shows that you never escaped. That if you put salvation away, you never had it to put away, and if you make shipwreck of your faith, (1 Tim. 1:19-20) there was no ship of faith there. In short they say: If you get it, you can't lose it: and if you lose it you never had it. May God save us from accepting a doctrine, that must be defended by such fallacious reasoning. (John Wesley) Heb 13:5 he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. God will never just decide to forsake any believer, ever! Yet, the believer may decide to forsake Him. Once a believer has forsaken God He then will give them up to themselves and forsake them. This does not contradict that He will never leave or forsake a believer, rather it affirms that God is not the one who does the forsaking. If we fall from the faith, it doesn’t reflect negatively upon God’s faithfulness, but rather on our unfaithfulness Backslidding, or drifting from the faith (Heb.2:1) can also be Grieving (or saddening) the Holy Spirit (Eph. 4:30). Lukewarmness sets in, Rev 3:15-16… Continued backslidding results in the conscience becoming seared (1 Tim. 4:2) and the heart becoming caloused and hardened (Heb 3:13). Then we quench (1 Thess.5:19) (put out) the Holy Spirit's spark of spiritual life that He began within us. "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the LOVE OF GOD that is in Christ Jesus our Lord." there is a definite DIFFERENCE between the "LOVE" of God as mentioned in Rom. 8:38,39 and the "LIFE" of God, according to Scripture! This is easily proven by noting that UNSAVED people are LOVED by God, even though they are devoid of His LIFE! A clear case in point is the rich, young ruler who was certainly UNSAVED, yet LOVED by Jesus (Mk.10:21)! |
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180 | can you lose your salvation | Hebrews | zach† | 33423 | ||
Hank: A good place to start would be Rom. 11:21-22 for if God did not spare the natural branches, (meaning Israel) neither will He spare you. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those (Israelites) who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, IF YOU CONTINUE in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. |
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