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21 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146109 | ||
Steve: continued .. I was reading my last note to you and I mistyped something. You say God went from "eat everything" - before Sinai to "eat only clean meat" during the Israel period to "eat everything again" after Jesus. Makes no sense. Are stomachs are the same from Adam to now !! 1) If you agree Cain and Abel knew difference between clean/unclean then explain why God could not have unclean sacrifices. If it does not matter for our bodies then why does God make such a deal about clean sacrifices ?? 2) No no "new" laws were given except "love thy neighbor" but even that was mentioned in Leviticus. Jesus came to magnify the law. Now not written on stone but on the heart. If we lust we commit adultery ... 10 comm. with stand for ever and ever. They are the laws which point out out sin. The atonement laws (ceremonial) were "done away with" or "nailed to the cross" by Jesus because He was the Lamb who would come to take away the sin of the world. But sin still abounds in the world (lusts of the flesh) so we need the law which is written in our heart to help us recognize temptation and flee from it. Gal. 3 - well everything has to be taken in context. In the OT the 10 comm. pointed out there sins and the need for atonement. Through "faith" in the the shedding of clean animal blood and recognizing that a Saviour would come to shed His blood for their sins. Their faith in that system of laws atoned for their sins. We no longer need that system. We no longer need to be led in faith that He has come - because He has died and atoned for our sins. Now we just have faith and belied that He loved us so much that He did indeed die and was resurected meaning we too will be resurected when He returns. Our faith and love towards God is hsown to Him by faithful obedience to His law NOT the Jewish "600" laws which made them "work" for salvation !! Diet - do not think I am misconstruing anything - I believe it is the only logical conclusiion. You still have not commented on the comment about Peter knowing everything was clean before the vision ?? So Jesus fulfilled the law but now we are not under the law - so I am safe to say we can now kill and still enter heaven !! 3) Ya my fault - i was getting way ahead of myself. Right - God called Abram out of his country. I assume He did this to get Abram away from sin so God could raise up a Godly nation through Abram. Don't know where I thought it said Abram was a man of God but I look at it this way - God saved Noah because (Gen. 6:8) "he found grace in the eyes of the Lord". I have to figure there was a reason why God could trust Abram to make His covenant with him ?? God knows all !! Abram proved his loyalty with obeying God. And yes the covenant was given as soon as he told Abram to come out of his country. But it must have taken alot of faith for Abram to do this !! But these errors above do not change that the covenant was given to Abraham prior to Sinai. Hebrews 8 -- Now I do not believe I am incorrect. The coventant and grace was available to all mankind. Grace is just the fact that God will actually allow us to repent of out sins and have eternal life. The promise of His covenant is that we who believe and have faith and show love to God through obedience will not die as a punishment for sin but have eternal life. Just in the OT they had to not only not sin but if they did sin they had to atone for their sins through faith in the shedding of the blood of bulls and goats (recognizing that a coming Messiah would come to pay the ultimate price for sin throught His death - since the blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sin) Only Christ could atone for out sin. When I said keep the covenant I meant being obedient to God through faith - if they sinned they must do the sacrifices in faith. But that fact is as you agree that gentiles were offered the covenant. So to say that gentiles do not know the diet and laws of God is just not right. When they believed in Jesus as Saviour they would know that there life had to change according to how God wants us to be the Lightof the World. Merv |
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22 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146131 | ||
Steve: Still you must explain Gen 26:5 if you argue there was not law before Moses. Another thing is the Jesusalem council did not mention the 10 comm. so gentiles are not obligated to keep them. Cain did evil, the people of Sodom were wicked (sexual immorality) and people of Noah's time were wicked. How is a God to judge them wicked without a standard. I still think your rational for debate is just to suit your position Merv |
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23 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146259 | ||
Steve: I fully agree that the bible does not record formal "laws" until time of Moses but I do not think you are giving equality to all man. I do not think at all that Cain did not know it was wrong to kill. Obvioulsy, "if" they were already sacrificing to atone for sin the pretty good chance God had laid out to them on individual basis or family basis or "father past down to children basis" but they knew right from wrong. I think to take a position different than that make Gen. 26:5 to be uninspired. I think sacrificial laws and everything specific to that (feasts) were done away with. Diet laws were indeed given to man. Merv |
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24 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146393 | ||
Steve: Sin is the transgression of the law. Gen. 26:5 pretty well gives me all the support to say they had God's law. It all began in the diobedience against God's command to not eat the fruit. Then began the process of understanding that blood must be shed for sin (sacrifice). Diet: You have never once explained why God would be so against swine (Is.65:4) but then say it was ok in NT. Remember Jesus sent the evil spirits into the swine !!!! I think if you are honest you will admit your agruement of God cleansing all meat is quite illogical and a defilement of our bodies. Does not say anything about not smoking in the Bible but anyone who argues it will not hurt the body is illogical. We cannot simply accept arguements because they are traditional and that they may make us change our thinking on what we eat. Merv |
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25 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146394 | ||
So if law (Gen.26:5) has its roots in Genesis then why the argument against the Sabbath. It was created before man sinned !!! Merv |
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26 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146396 | ||
Yes it the reason. the life expectancy dropped significantly after the flood. Two reasons - eating meat and the evironmental changes from flood !! You cannot avoid the obvious - Abel sacrificed a lamb not a piglet !!!!! He knew the requirement of God. Of course I am not saying they had faith in the works of sacrifices but they had faith in God who told them to sacrifice. Do you really think they enjoyed killed one of there precious little lambs that they raised and fed -- of course not. But the symbolism they understood !!! God would have to sacrifice His own Son for their sin. They did not want to sin so they would not have to kill a little lamb. They understood the penalty that had to happen for there sin. How much more should we not feel like sinning to avoid crucifying out Lord ! We might as well forget the Peter vision !! YOu have no scriptural evidence to back up Peter now accepting to eat unclean meat !!! WHERE in the bible does he say it or does he eat it --- NOWHERE. Remember the vision was indeed a VISION. Symbolic reference was made to God saying everything is clean to wake up Peter's brain to understand that God was not cleansing the unclean animals (because just a Peter thought - it could not be - that is why he disagreed with God's command) BUT rather God was showing Peter that all mankind is clean before GOD and should be looked upon that way by the Jews so that the gospel can be preached. I cannot make this any more clear. Actually if we want to be specific - God promised a way out of sin way back in the garden. God predicted to the devil that one would come and bruise his head (Gen.3:15) -- The plan for salvation was put in place !!! Gentiles: In what way does there life have to change. --- according to God's commands !!! We must search out heart to see if we are following the traditions of man or the doctrines of the gospel. Merv |
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27 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146400 | ||
Doc: Math 15:3 -- pretty clear on not following tradition Heb: 4 --- clearly states their remaineth a Sabbath. 1 John 2:4 -- 10 commandments are unchanging Merv |
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28 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 146816 | ||
Doc: Where is the one singl verse in the NT that commands that the Church worship on the 1st day of the week. If it is not int he scripture then it is based on tradition of man which the Bible clearly teaches against !!!! Merv |
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29 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147013 | ||
Hey Brad: Do you believe in following the unclean/clean meat diet of God ? Merv |
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30 | In what way is it clear? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147018 | ||
Hi Tim: Yes punctuation was added by translators. A quick aside: When Jesus was on the cross and give assurance to the repentent sinner that he would have eternity with Him, the punctuation (,) is added in wrong place to give people the impression that "that very day" they would be together in Paradise. But this is a improper interpretation because clearly Jesus told Mary that He had yet ascended to His Father. If the comma is changed then we see that Jesus meant that "today" I give you assurance that the sinner would be with Him in Paradise. But just like all the rest of mankind that are dead and "returned to dust" - we will all be resurected together when Christ comes. Immortality does not come until that day. I grew up believing in the immortality of the soul but it based on tradition and not scripture. Sorry to go off track but this will be another subject for discussion. Now yes, prince is used twice but clearly both uses are distinguished but "Messiah the Prince" and the "people of the prince" who would destroy Jerusalem. One is Christ and one is teh devil leading the Roman Empire to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem. Well Tim I respect your view but would have to disagree !! Clearly, there is only one week left in Daniel's 70 week prophecy. The only week discussed refers to one who would confirm a covenant of one week. Then in the middle (3.5 years) bring an end to the sacrificial system. There are 3.5 years left after Christ's death in which the disciples stayed in Jerusalem to witness to the Jews only juts as Jesus had instructed them to do. Thus fulfilling the final week of the 70 week probation period for the Jews to repent to God. Thus the majority of Jews rejected Jesus and the Gospel - then the final destruction of Jerusalem came in 70 AD. But note that once Stephen wad martyred 3.5 years after Christ died this was then beginning of the Gospel to go to the Gentiles. Thus the 70 year period was over for the Jews. Remember that this futurist theory ((pushing the final week (tribulation period) out 2000 plus years) was a result of the Protestant reformation and the Catholic Church wanting to decieve the world into believing the antichrist was not yet come. This clearly disagrees with Jesus's own teaching that there were already "antichrist's" in the shaddows awaiting to corrupt the Gospel. The gap theory is CLEARLY wrong and not logical. 69 weeks happened literally - why do we have a 2000 plus year interuption when NOWHERE in Daniel 9 it tells us this. Why !!! This is added to deceive people away from seeing that the antichrist system was indeed the Roman empire and then followed by the Catholic Church. This is then followed by the Protestant reformation which is the "image of the beast" - Although the protestants have reformed in many areas they still uphold to many paganistic doctines like the Sabbath - which is a clear violation of God's Law. But unfortunately people do not see this because "status qo" is comfortable. Now Tim I do not think for an instance that all people are going to hell which many say as a defense to make 7th day adventists to seem judgemental. I believe "light will be given to all" to make a decision. Remember the devil is in the business to make God out to be unjust. How could a just and loving God uphold a single day to be so important. What is the big deal with a day. But what if we had the same attitude to sexual preference in patners. The whole Christian community would not tolerate it. Well Tim - I look forward to your thoughts !! Merv |
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31 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147238 | ||
Ok Brad: Thanks for your honesty !! Look at Math. 15 and Mark 7 (paralell passgaes) and Acts 10 - 11. Determine if you think that from these texts that Jesus/God has cleansed all meat. Remembering that God clearly established in Lev. 11 what animals were unclean (example pig). You can also look at Is. 65:4 to see waht angers God !!!! Also look at Daniel 1 to see why Daniel did not want to defile his body. You would agree that in the NT we are are told our bodies are the "temple of God". If God required only "clean" animal sacrifices in OT would it make logical sense in the NT that God would change what He designated to be unclean to now be clean. Is there any ripture in the NT where we see either Jesus or one of His disciples eating a unclean piece of meat ??? This same principle of arguement used for holding we are still required to be obedient to God's diet, can be used to show we are still to recognize God's Sabbath. Remember we are to follow God and not man. Look forward to what your conclusion is !! Merv |
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32 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147239 | ||
Brad: Looking at your profile - we have similarities. Although not married and no kids - I was raised Methodist/Baptist. Attended Methodist college but fell away from God after college. In recognizing I was lost I searched for truth and challenged my doctrinal beliefs which came as a result of my upbringing. Had contact with Oneness Pentecostal - which helped me more understand the Trinity and "tongues". But currently the closest denomination that I have seen the Biblical Truth that I was searching for is the 7th Day Adventists. I have always grouped them in with Mormons and Jehovah Witness - as I was taught. But had never know there doctrine until I was challenged by a co-worker to justify why we keep the 1sy day as the Sabbath. Anyway I look business/accounting in school so my mind need logical scriptural proof to support doctrine. Hope we can journey together to recognize truth. In love, Merv |
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33 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147243 | ||
Hey Doc: You seem to maybe be offended for me not recognizing your arguement. I am here on this forum to discuss scripture and here views on scripture. If I hold strong views I think you must respect my passion and love for God to know Him better and learn His truths. I do not agree that there are three different answers to the 4th commandment of God. 1) Everyday can be a Sabbath 2) the 1st day is now the Sabbath 3) the 7th day is the Sabbath. I just want clear answers to my questions. Giving examples of things the disciples did on a certain does not provide evidence of a new Sabbath unless you can show me within those scriptures a command to recognize a new Sabbath day. Using these scriptures is a similar arguement used when people use Acts 10 - 11 to show all meats are now clean - even though in Is. 65:4 clearly states eating swine's flesh makes God angry. Is. 56 clearly shows that not ONLY Jews kept the Sabbath. Humm - there goes the arguement that only Jews were required to keep the Sabbath. I am sorry but to use examples of 1st day meetings is no evidence whatsoever of God changing His mind on what day He made Holy and sanctified as a day of rest which gives us the opportunity to worship Him, and do "good" - just as Jesus did in the NT even though confronted by the Pharisees. Also, Jesus and Paul clearly show us the real Sabbath was the one they kept as their "custom" was. Look forward to more discussion, In the love and truth of Christ, Merv |
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34 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147244 | ||
Yes - early Church also persecuted and killed thousands who did not conform to their beliefs. Kept the Bible hidden so not until 1300 years later the people began to see the error in doctrine. But nowhere in any of the 3-4 1st day references is the word worship mentioned. Paul had a meeting where he preached. He was going away for a long time. The passgae is mentioned due to the man being healed from falling out the window not because to show the Sabbath was now on the 1st day. Jesus and Paul custom was to go to the synogogue on the Sabbath. How coem people want to hold to 1st day references but not to the Sabbath references. Oh ya - the reason is - they call what Paul and Jesus did was keeping the OT law. Humm - but Jesus clearly said the NT covenant would have the laws written on the heart. What exactly were those laws. I guess it was 9 of 10 commandments which makes logical sense considering that the Sabbath was actually instituted prior to sin entering the world. Therefore it was apart of God's perfect creation. Ok it makes sense that the only commandment "changed by a supposedly unchanging God" was the Sabbath. Does this really make sense given the history of corruption of the early Church in how they paganized Christianity. Two years ago I would have held you position but I feel scripture and the leading of the Holy Spirit has shown me the clear truth and the error of traditional doctrine. P.S. - Rom. 14 - does not refer to Sabbath but "holy feast days - which are also called sabbaths" This is the same for Col. 2:16. These feast days (sabbaths) all pointed to Christs ultimate sacrifice as Perfect Lamb and to do aways with sacrifical system. Feasts (sabbaths) were a shaddow just like sacrificial systems was a shaddow of Christ. See Lev. 23:37-38 - to show difference between Sabbath (7th day Sabbath) and the added feasts). Sabbath (7th day) could not be a shaddow - it was created prior to man's sin ??? In love, Merv In love, Merv |
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35 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147413 | ||
Yes Brad: I appreciate loving your brother attitude as Jesus commands. But the important question is what does Jesus expect of us as life reflecting Hid life. Jesus was sinless which is our obligation out of love for what Christ has given to us through His shed blood. To stive for anything less would be making a foll out of Jesus if His death would still allow us to live in sin. God's laws are "clearly" said to be put on our hearts in the new covenant. Clearly we must each stive to understand what God's laws are in accordance to the new covenant. To just say we live by freedom and liberty is making a mochery of God's law which were meant to keep us close to Him in relationship to love. In love, Merv |
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36 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147414 | ||
Ed: Lev. 23:3 which you quote "holy convocation" - means to gather together. Just like Jesus and Paul did as their custom was !!! Yes, Jews fell away from the intention of the Sabbath which was made by God as part of the perfect creation process "prior" to sin entering the world. The Sabbath was perfect in its creation because it was to give 24 hours of time out the week for the people to go about worshiping God and not worry about their daily routine. Clearly you would agree that man cannot worship God if the day is filled with "work" to support oneself and family as God commands. 6 days you "shall" work. Meaning God fully expects use to live for Him every day - while we work and do routine activities - but on the Sabbath since we are commanded to do not work WE ALL then have the time to gather together to worship without the pressures of job schedule and routine schedule. This has got to be clearly seen to understand the purpose of not working. Now being said the Sabbath was made for man (not just Jew)NOT man for the Sabbath. It was made for a blessing of rest, worship and an opportunity to "do good on the Sabbath" as Jesus said to the Pharisees. Sabbath was made from the beginning. I personally believe Abraham was keeping the Sabbath - although we have no direct statement of evidence in the scripture. But we do have Gen. 26:5. Can you tell me what commandments Abraham was keeping. Remember it does not say what they are. But certainly said he kept commandments. Whe it said Jesus "fulfilled the law" - this means he kept the law. Since we did not keep the law (or sinned) then the only atonement possible is for Jesus to live a perfect sinless life but still be put to death - although He did not deserve it like we do. Since He did die He took out place. Just as John 15:10 says - Jesus did not sin -- Why -- because He kept His father's commandments. This is fulfilling the law. Saying We as Man no longer need rest is like saying the principle of not resting the fields every 7th year should not still be followed. We need rest every week from our regular activites. God gave it as a blessing !!!! Heb. 4 clearly says "There remains a Sabbath rest". Clearly you do not understand "work" the priests in the OT had to work in the service. Jesus performed miracles on the Sabbath and called it doing "good". Doing God's work on the Sabbath is not work but loving God. You can go to any pastor out there and they will say WE as Christians must keep a day of rest. Unfortunately it is the 1st day they consider the Sabbath. Look forward to your reply ! Merv |
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37 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147518 | ||
Tim: No Tim ! Eary Church - meaning Roman Catholic Church - persecuted and killed 1000's of unconforming Christians. The Dark ages !!! They would not even allow people to have a copy of the Bible to judge the Truth for themselves. Now you mean early Church - the disciples and there "early" spreading to the Gentiles. Yes of course they were persecuted by Rome until Rome converted to Christianity. But there conversion was not to The Gospel that Jesus preached but was a conversion from paganism to paganized Christianity. Along with the this conversion was many, many , many pagan doctines into "so called" Chritianity" - Example Immortality of the Soul, Hell being "everlasting", Prophecy (expansion of 70 weeks of years to include a "gap" between 69th and 70th week) and the Sabbath. Sabbath is recognized worldwide as Saturday (7th) Changed by RCC even though the practise started soon after Jesus death. But Jesus predicted that false Christ's and teaching would arise soon after His death and the disciples were to be aware. Sabbaths - If you look at Lev. 22:32 - the same days called feasts are also called sabbaths. Remebers also that I beleive most times when the Bible refers to feasts and sabbaths being the same - they "sabbath" is not capitalized. But when referring to 7th day "Sabbath" it is capitalized. Another example is look at Lev. 23:3 and Lev. 25:2 - in comparion to the use of sabbath/Sabbath !!! Do not believe also that all sabbaths were also feasts. Look at Lev 23:26-32 - It was not a feast day but only a "extra" sabbath day !!! Now Tim - remember - the death of Christ relaced the ceremonial system - these feasts and sabbaths were a shaddow of the coming Christ. That is why WE do not keep these feasts now or sacrifice animals. We keep the Sabbath because it was institued in the the creation and that 7th day was made holy by God. No other day was made holy by God. Nowhere in any scripture is there any evidence that God made anyother day of the week Holy. It was Holy - Sanctified - "set-apart" so we would be able to not do any regular work and therefore use that time to worship God "convocation - gathering" and also do "good" as Jesus rubuked the Pharisees for not seeing His goods works on the Sabbath. Thanks Merv |
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38 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147524 | ||
Steve: Funny that Jesus said "Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" - I guess that Jesus who was Perfect made a mistake and should have used "Jew" or "People of Israel". He clealy used MAN because it has been and will be for ALL mankind. I think your arguement that although the Sabbath was created in to beginning "prior to sin" and "God blessed and santified it" (Gen:2:3) - Yes it makes plenty of sense to assume that for 2000 years it was sanctified by God but no one kept the day as God intended to be a blessed rest for his created man. Makes also great senses that God/Jesus whom rested on the Sabbath after He created it in Genesis, but when Jesus walked the world 4000 years later and kept the Sabbath "as His custom was" is somehow not showing a consistent God in who we believe. Can you explain - why God would require Moses to test the people of His law of the Sabbath after coming out of Egypt. Quick note: His law was not written until Sinai ???? Just like Gen:26:5 I guess the use of the different words like commandments, statues, and laws all do not refer to anything else but God telling Abraham to do something - like the things you stated. But wait It says in vs. 5 Abraham obeyed "My voice" and kept My charge, My statues, My commandments, and My laws. Remember sin is clealy defined as "transgression of the law". Cain (Gen. 4:6) - "sin lies at the door" --- Humm could it be possible Cain was thinking to kill His brother - which he did in vs.8. But Rom. 3:20 - says "for by the law is the knowledge of sin" ---- Cain knew about killing because it was a "law" -- The same laws God revealed to man prior to Sinai but the 10 comm. given at Sinai were to an entire nation not individuals prior to that. You have not explained why God was angry for them eating swine's flesh but now He is not !! Please repeat it !!! God did not cleanse unclean meat in the NT. Sorry not there. Maybe check the OT. Sorry, but we must have some humor !!!! You said "a law mandatory for Jews only" Well if we look specifically at the Sabbath - you statement is absolutely wrong according to Is. 56:4-5. Unfortunately, many "gentiles" were allowed to keep the Sabbath and recieve all the blessing that came with it. Unfortunately, most non-Jews had no belief in God and God made it plain a clear fo the Jews to keep away from unGodly people. Just like the principle of "leaven" --- a small potion of sin will corupt the whole amount of bread. But if the Non-Jews did recognize God and believe then they were required to show obedience just like the Jew. Explain - how laws only for Jews again ??? In love and respect, Merv |
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39 | Hank - Diet ??? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147525 | ||
Steve: "nothing more was required" -- Jesus forgave the adulteress woman - yes - Humm - did Jesus not also say "go and sin no more".. Is this not something God "required". 1 John 5:2 and 1 John 2:6 and Math. 19:17 I guess these verse mean something other than a "requirement" by God to obey His commandments. Repenting is one thing but the evidence of a repentant heart is to "do" what God "requires". Very plain and clear !!!! BUT DONE IN LOVE !!!!! NOT LEGALISM !!!! Law cannot "save" only Jesus's blood saves. Keeping law shows our "love for God" and not love for the flesh. Yes, I think being a vegetarian is a good idea - considering what I have leanned from scripture !! Does not mean we cannot eat clean meat but God is pretty clear how these clean animals were to be killed and free from blood. Not many of us raise our own animals to be able to ensure they are killed and clean properly. Most Christians do not even understand the reason to why God did not want us to eat blood - cause blood was used to atone for sins !!! Blood represented life !!! Yes you are right no specific laws stated to sacrifice for sins. Also no specific law stated to keep law prior to exit from Egypt. But did every conversation get recorded in the OT. No. But God clearly without refute created a 7th day, rested on it, and sanctified it. Abel shed blood through the little lamb - Cain did not. Only through shedding of blood is the remission of sin. Again the actual blood of the lamb di not atone for Abel's sins but the faith that His son was coming to fulfill the shadow of that little lamb was what made Abel righteous. Do you think they were sheeding lambs blood cause God liked the sight of killing innocent lambs and seeing there blood flow over the alter. Silence does not justify - avoiding the obvious. No command given to worship or keep a "new"day but the majority insist the "new" day of worship and rest is the 1st day. You cannot assume Peter ate unclean meat. He did not do it when God specifically commanded him do to so. Why would he be eating it with Gentiles if he would not even do it when God commanded him to eat it in the vision. Logic !! Merv |
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40 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147530 | ||
Yes Steve: it has a paralell meaning of rest in Christ. Ok so why do we keep a "day" of rest at all - the 1st day. No pastor will tell you - "we do not need a day to rest and focus our activities on Jesus and fellowship". You cannot hav it both ways. Heb.4:7 clearly discussed the 7th day. What do you mean it does not mention a day of the week. Do you see my concern: People will argue there is no more Sabbath (7th) based on the "rest in Christ" we have now. But then they go and keep a "day of rest" - 1st day but call it a new "sabbath" or changed sabbath. If we have rest in Christ as many argue from Heb. 4 then why keep a day !!!! Where is the logic Merv |
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