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121 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146387 | ||
Mark: Moral law is 10 comm. - could also be argued that any other law specific to our health and keeping us holy is apart of God's law. But he did only write 10 on stone. Marriage, diet, cleanliness I think are all relevant now as they were in OT. Absolutley, the 10 Comm. are the laws on the heart. Many have argued there is only 2 comm. now - love God and love neighbor. But Rom.13 clears this up in clearly saying love thy neighbor is a clear summary of the final 6 of the 10. So to follow the logic the first 4 are summarized by love God with all your heart. To argue any different is blatent disobedience. Sorry to use strong words but I have been doing a study of the Sabbath and diet and scriptural justification for the changes is totally wrong. I grew up a Methodist. But I have found the doctrine in many areas is abosolutely incorrect. 2 Chor. 35:12 - Book of Moses contained all sacrificial laws - moral law (Royal Law - James 2:8) is the 10 Comm. Do we need to keep the law -- YES James 2:10-12 , Rom. 3:31, Math. 19:17 Scriptural evidence is overwhelming. The new coventant said God would write laws on the heart. Does it make sense for God to write them there and we not obey them. The Holy Spirit will give us the power and wisdom to NOT sin (transgress the law). We are to live a Christ -- He did not sin although tempted. ABSOLUTELY CLEAR !!!! Hell - eternal - unquenchable (great study) But look at Math 25:41 , Jude 9, 2 Peter 2:6, Malachi 4:1 Math. 10:28 - "destroy" body and soul. Punishment for sin is death - the second death after judgement by God. Not eternal suffering. Where is that ever evident in God's prior judgement. Rev. 20:5, 9 - fire from heaven will "devour" them. Second death - Rev. 20:14 ----- death is not eternal but the result of death is eternal and everlasting -- do you see the difference. Never will the body/soul ever live again - this is the punishment for sin --- reward for salvation is eternal life -- will never die. Math 13:41, 42 - cast into furnace of fire. God dis say that the world would not ever be destroyed by water but will be destroyed by fire. So to will sin be destroyed by fire. This whole plan of letting sin takes it course was to prove to all God's created being (man - angels and whatever else) that sin cannot win and this result will forever end the debate if the choice of Satan to rebel was better than the love of God. To keep a place called HELL somewhere in existance goes against the purpose of God to rid the existence of sin forever. This was a great eye opener to me after reading these verses. Eze. 18:4 --- the soul will die. !!!! Sodom and Gommooah were destroyed by eternal fire BUT is it still burning now !!! Jersalem was said to be destoyed with unquenchable fire BUT is not buring now !! Logic and proper interpretations are the keys. In love Merv |
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122 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146388 | ||
Please check my response to Mark under the same note your responsed. MErv |
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123 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146402 | ||
Brad: Yes, we can respectfully disagree. And we still do. You will have to explain to me Math. 15:3. 1 John 2:4 Is so clear I do not see how anyone can state we are not obligated to keep the law. Jesus is to me our example and to live within us right ??? Then according to your understanding of law -- how do you explain John 15:10 and 1 John 2:6. Galations: Yes law lead us to Christ !! It pointed out our sin. But the only law that we are not to follow now is the law of sacrifices and offerings which was a shaddow of things to come (Jesus) Only Jesus can atone for our sins. The blood of bulls and goats cannot take away sin. But sin still exists in this world. We as Christians will keep the law through the help of Jesus but many many people still need the law to lead them to Christ - to point out they are guilty before God. Once they confess they are no longer "under the law" or guilty of it because Jesus has paid the penalty for it but we still need to live the life of Christ which is our love for Him - reflected in our keeping His will or commandments. Noah found grace in the eyes of God but he still had to be obedient to God and build an ark to survive !!! Merv |
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124 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146403 | ||
Yes - I would maybe not say imperfect sacrifices but they were put in place to help people understand the penalty of sin and to point to Christ. I believe all other law still stands !!! The Sabbath is Saturday !!! 4th comm. of God Clean and unclean meat still applies !! Merv |
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125 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146407 | ||
Mark: Jerusalem council only dealt with the controversial issues of gentiles coming out of idol worship and their dietary customs. Malachi 3:6 He gave us law to point out our sin. 1 John 2:4, Rom. 7:12, 14 Through Christ we can do all things. God expects us to be obedient out of love. In the OT even the sacrifices could not take away their sins. Actually, once a year they were again reminded of there sins for the whole year. They could not forget their sin because the Saviour had not yet come and died. But their faith in God and obedience to atone for their sin with symbolic sacrifices pointed them to Christ. I do not think anyone with the right heart could slay a little lamb and not feel the pain of their sins which was put onto the lamb. Jesus's shed blood took away forever the guilt of sin as long as we repent of it. After repenting the Holy Spirit will give us the power to sin no more. But we still need to guide (law) to keep us from slipping off the path to God. Noah found grace in the eyes of God but if he was not obedient to build the ark - would he still have been saved by God ??????? Faith requires action (Faith without works is dead !!) We as a Christian community have been beaten down with false doctrine. (Sabbath, diet, prophecy, hell ..) I challege you !!! (Math. 15:3) |
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126 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146410 | ||
Doc: Ok - you make some good conclusions. I think we are to follow all and every law unless specifically addressed by God as being changed or done away with. The Sabbath has not been changed or done away with. Diet has not been changed or done aways with. All laws have a purpose and possibly arguement can be made for specific culture parallels. 1 John 3:31 Law is what God uses to judge our love for Him. What a greater test than laws that not only bless us but contribute to our well being !! Merv |
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127 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146411 | ||
Mark: Yes circumcision was a very hot topic and so was idol worship. Please just give me the best verse for why we can eat anything and the verse that says we are to worship on Sunday !!! Thanks, Merv |
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128 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 146412 | ||
Searcher: True - only sacrificial laws repleced by Christ. 1 John 2:4 is pretty clear we have laws to follow. Was the Sabbath changed by Christ or by false doctrine. Remember the Sabbath (7th day) was created before the fall of man into sin. Therefore the Sabbath was created apart of the perfect plan of God. The Roman Catholic Church takes pride in making this change. Protestants (which I grew up as) take pride in saying there is scriptural evidence of a change in the NT. Daniel 7:25 says the persecuting power will want to "change times and laws" In love, Merv |
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129 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 149407 | ||
Brad: Exactly !!! Sin shall no longer be master over us !! Why -- because we will keep the law !!! That is why Jesus says "If you love me keep my commandments" Being "under the law" does not mean - we are obliged to keep it. No no !!! It means to be guilty of it !! Being no longer under the law (Rom. 3:19) means we are no longer guilty before God because we have accepted the perfect sacrifice for our "past" sins. Now that we are free from being guilty before God or "under the law" we can now go forth with the power of the Holy Spirit to live in love and obedience to God. We will no longer willfully sin if our heart is changed by what Jesus did for us !! In love, Merv |
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130 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 149408 | ||
Luke 16:22 - this passage refers to a parable only. Mark 9:46 --- The question is does "unquenchable" mean buring forever (eternity) Please look at Jeremiah 17:27 and 2 Chronicles 36:19. Jerusalem was destroyed with unquenchable fire. Is Jerusalem still buring today ??? In love, Merv |
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131 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150025 | ||
Hi Brad: Rom. 14 does not address unclean/clean food according to God's laws on what animals are clean or not in Leviticus. The clean/unclean issue was contamination by idols. This same kind of misinterpretaion is used in Math 15 - Mark 7 - Acts 10/11 to claim all foods are clean which is absolutely not true. God would not call an animal abominable in one place and them say it is clean. Absolutely not. Animals are unclean because God said so becuase they are carnivors. Col. 2:16-17 is talking about the ceremonial special days in which they did food and drink offerings. (See Lev. 23 which clearly shows the difference between the 7th Day Sabbath and the additional sabbaths/feasts/new moons. And I agree that judging should not be done. But we should search for the truth. Thomas |
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132 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150343 | ||
Tim: This is why it cannot be a parable. 1) Do we really think that Abraham's bosom is the abode of the righteous dead ? Actually, the agels will gather the saints at Christ's coming - not at a person's death. 2)It says heaven and hell were separated by a gulf yet the persons could converse with each other. Luke 16:26 - will this be true of the saved and the lost ?? 3) The rivh man was in hell with a body. He had eyes, a toungue, ... Luke 16:24. How did body get into hellfire instead of into the grave ?? No one teaches that bodies of the wicked go right to hell when they die !!! 4) The request for Lazurus too dip the tip of his finger and come through the flames to cool the rich man's tongue is obvioulsy not literal. The whole story is parabolic !!! Merv |
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133 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150345 | ||
Hi Tim: "under the law" means to be guilty of the law Romans 3:19-20 says "by the law is the knowledge of sin" Right - it doen not mean "not guilty it" No being "born under the law" as Jesus was means He was accountable to the law but He never sinned so was never guilty of it as Man was. He came to free people from being under the law because His death replaced the sacrificail system and now through the Holy Spirit we have power to "not sin" and therefore "not be guilty of the law" or "under the law". Jesus cannot be a liar - He told the adulterous woman to "go and sin no more". 1 John 2:4 speaks of God's requirement of our obedience out of love !!! TRUTH Yes Gal.4 does speak of people wanting to return to laws that Jesus replaced at the cross. The sacrificial Mosaic laws were abolished at the cross. DO WE STILL SACRIFICE FOR OUR SINS - NO !!! But these laws also included ceremonial days !!! Gal. 3:23 -- Yes only faith can justify not law. After the law lead us to faith in Christ we now understand that we need to be obedient to Christ. But while we were disobedient the law worked on our conscience to lead us to faith in Christ. Look forward to your response, In Love Thomas |
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134 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150393 | ||
Tim: Yes - Sorry for (many) typos. I must double check my responses before I send them !!! Yes - it does not call it a parable !! I agree !! We both understand that scripture is not for private interpretation. When we say in our opinion scripture means this or that - I agree we must be careful not to make scripture "a private interpretation" which scripture condemns. But in relation to prior discussions. When God told Peter to eat the "creepy things" from the sheet. We know that God did not "really" mean for Peter to violate God's own statues on diet but rather to come to understand that Gentiles are now clean !!! In that account of Peter's vision we never see that Peter did indeed eat it but rather disobeyed God. So the key to understanding is seeing the point God is trying to get to the reader. Thanks for the responses, Thomas |
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135 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150398 | ||
Tim: Ok - We agree that "under the law" - means that we are guilty of it and must keep it. According to how "I believe" you interpret the NT that "we are no longer under the law" - it means we no longer have to keep the law - RIGHT ?? The reference to Jesus being born during the time of "under the law" meant Jesus musty keep the law but only refers to be guilty in relation to man because man has sin but Jesus does not !!! Man has always been "required" by God to keep law. From the time of Adam - God had a law to not eat from tree of life. This law existed prior to even sin. The Bible says without law their cannot be sin. But even though there was that law - Adam was not guilty before God until he broke it !! So to be "under the law" can have different meaning depending on the time and who is "under the law". But clearly the phrase in the NT that "we are no longer under the law but under grace" can ABSOLUTELY NOT mean that we do not have to keep God's laws. It just makes no sense in the light of all the scripture that requires us to keep His commandments and be obedient to show our love. It would be like saying that although God gave Adam a command to not eat from the tree - Adam didn't really have to keep it. God judges us according to His law because His laws are perfect and holy and just ! Now does this make us or God a legalist - NO !! If we love Him we will obey. It is all about understanding He is our creator and does all things for our good. In love, Merv |
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136 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150500 | ||
Yes Candy: Amen !!! I take it - you follow the 7th Day Sabbath and diet laws of God ? Look forward to more discussions. Merv |
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137 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150501 | ||
Hi Doc: I absolutely disagree ! God gave Adam a law in the garden. Even prior to sin God gave a law to be kept. Only through the temptation of satan did man fail God. Jesus told the adulterous woman "to go and sin no more" Is Jesus a liar - can't be - He did not sin !! We now have the power to keep the law through the power of the Holy Spirit and our love for God. In love, Merv |
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138 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150502 | ||
Yes - Amen !! The death penalty was fulfilled in Christ. God wants our love through obedience to our creator. Merv |
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139 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150506 | ||
Doc: We agree - law does not justify !! Grace from God has existed since the time man sinned. The gospel is the good news that Jesus has taken away our condemnation by the law. But we disagree that we as Christians are not required by God to not sin or keep his law. Only faith in Christ can justify. Once we understand that keeping law is not a burden but a blessing we will never agree on this issue of the law. You quoted all the verses that support the Christian keeping the law through the power of the given Holy Spirit. When we were babies we listened to our parents because we were told "no to not do this or that" but as we mature we obey our parents out of respect and love. Our parents always loved us and required us to obey for our well being. But as we mature we look to show our love and respect to our parents. Hopefully this will help show how our love for God reflects in our obedience. In love, Merv |
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140 | Partly under the Law? | Col 2:14 | swerv | 150509 | ||
Doc: We disagree that man cannot keep the law. Man can keep the law through the power of the Holy Spirit. Merv |
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