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21 | Two prophets? | Job | Jensen | 33289 | ||
Dear charis...Thanks for the thought provoking debate. I see that we both have embraced the post of Brian. That is good. We agree after all when someone else puts the case. Maybe we were talking past one another?? For my part, I misunderstood the difference between NT and OT prophets. Two seperate, distinct roles and characteristics. They are so different perhaps they should have two different names. Kind of like the name "apostle" NOT TO START THAT DEBATE PLEASE:-o You do know that Ezra is talking about the OT prophets of which he believes he is similar to. Till we meet again, I remain your brother in Christ God Bless....Jensen |
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22 | Two prophets? | Job | Jensen | 33286 | ||
And upon this reasonble post...I retire God Bless....Jensen |
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23 | Two prophets? | Job | Jensen | 33232 | ||
Dear charis…Try again to understand the opposing position. Please. Linguistic Gymnastics are beneath you. You know the point Searcher is making. Why the Dance? Are you afraid of the weakness of the position you hold: That a prophet of God is still a prophet of God even if he declares “Thus saith the Lord…” and is shown to be wrong, incorrect, off the mark, unbiblical. The position is to me absurd. If you claim to speak for God, you better be right. What happens to the false prophet, the one who leads people astray? (Revelation) No other ministerial Gift makes that claim of speaking for God and you know it. Not a teacher, a pastor, an evangelical, or apostle. Even Paul took pains do write to Timothy that some of what he(Paul) was saying was of himself “…and not the Lord”. Would you consider a person who claimed the Gift of Evangelism and never, ever, led anyone in the direction to the Lord to be a true Evangelist (or are we not to judge?) And the Pastor who never, ever, led a church regardless of size but claimed to be a Pastor and that was proof enough that he had the Gift of Pastor? In my past life I would have said “Put up or shut up” but today I say TEST all things and RENEW your mind :-) Please do not seize only upon a single sentence found herein for a reply. Please speak to the spirit of the post if at all. What is disconcerting is that I once thought we were in agreement on this fine point of this debate. But if we can not agree on this single point of accuracy there is really little else to say. All doctrine is up for grabs. Christianity makes no stand. We can argue on endlessly on every point, regardless of Scriptural authority. We can make it up as we go along like a new age religion. We can even claim “secret” knowledge from now on. We impress not our Lord, and we play the part of the fool on the world stage. We search for God and find ourselves. Sad really. You know that I do not attack you on a personal basis. How could I? I have too much respect for you. But your position is…..well,……missing the mark. (And I think you know it) God Bless….Jensen |
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24 | Is "declared unto him...anointing" Bible | Job | Jensen | 33225 | ||
Dear Ezra...You Wrote to Searcher.... "you are the biggest joke i have ever heard" ...Now I understand your role of self-proclaimed prophet. If you can not defend your position,....well,... just call people names and then ask Gods blessings upon them so that you will be somehow absolved of your lack of manners. Arrogance is a characteristic of the intellectually lazy. Just defend your position and know that you do not have the inside track to God. We are all priests in that sense. We do not need you to come before us. You have demonstrated that you do not have a clue on this topic, only emotion. Renew your mind. God Bless....Jensen |
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25 | Is this a false prophet? | Job | Jensen | 33224 | ||
Dear SRN....You wrote... "I believe a person saying they are a prophet etc in some sort of illusion is not a false prophet." What? Is that a question? Do you know that the sentence makes no sense? Are you agreeing, disagreeing or just keeping in touch :-) I agree that false prophets are all over Sunday morning TV. They are also allover our church. I can tell if a person is a false prophet by the nature of their words. If what the prophet says is clearly unbiblical, he is a false prophet. If the prophet speaks of a future event that proves to be untrue, he is a false prophet. Simple tests for a false prophet abound. Really!! There was a "test" that was circulated among the churches that claimed to determine what Gift you had. I do not know the origin of the test but perhaps you have seen it, or took it. It asked several questions that the answers to would evaluate the Christian to determine his Gift. Taking a test to determine your Gift does not seem to be of God....to me. But weak minded, intellectually lazy Christians are only too happy to embrace what I call "HocusPocusChristianity" and all Christianity suffers because our message of salvation can not be heard above the roar of laughter. TEST all things. Do not listen to false prophets. If they are wrong once, just once, then perhaps they are blessed with a different Gift. But if they claim to speak for God,....well, they must be right. God Bless....Jensen |
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26 | Do you have to be baptized to be saved? | 1 Pet 3:21 | Jensen | 33161 | ||
Dear Honest Abe...Welcome to the Forum :-).... For a more complete discussion of this ongoing topic of debate you may want to search "baptism" as well as follow this thread. There are some very good discussions on BOTH sides of this debate. For me I am saved by Grace. And Grace alone. God Bless....Jensen |
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27 | Are these not prophets? | Job | Jensen | 33112 | ||
Personal Note to Searcher...... You may know that I asked the question that began this particular thread. I am going to hand off the ball to you on this topic. I think my sometimes gruff manner prohibits some from seeing the simple truth of what my (our) position is. I am burned out. Temporarily I pray :-) Carry On Searcher !!! :-) |
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28 | Dancing? | Job | Jensen | 33110 | ||
Dear EProphet...You Wrote.... "Just a simple man, serving a mighty God.".... How humble you are. It was obvious that you were a simple (humble?) man since you did not answer, at all, anything that I wrote to you. That is simple. No answer, no defense is simple. And you wrote...." Maybe if I were better at debate I could have made my point more clear." ....But you made no points...you gave up the debate. That is fine with me and when someone asks you for the reason for the Hope that you have you can just say "God Bless You" which is far, far better than dancing around the issue of the debate. I actually admired your non-answer. It was honest and to the point. (To wit: I can not defend my position and I will not try to do so by compromising my integrity.) That is honest. You may have a supportable position but there is no harm in admitting that you do not know how to support it. I expect your "debating skills" to improve and I really look forward to your future posts and your fresh input. These debates are fun while also serious at times...nothing, repeat nothing is personal. How could it be when using such a medium as EMail Forums. We are all in the shadows to some degree I guess. "Nothing missing, nothing broken" sounds like what we say in my culture "No Harm Done" and if so then "Let It Be" :-) God Bless....Jensen |
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29 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 33026 | ||
Ezra…Another suggestion…..Punctuation :-) It is difficult when sentences and thoughts run together. | ||||||
30 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 33022 | ||
You are right!...God Bless....Jensen | ||||||
31 | Truly searching for a prophet? | Job | Jensen | 32927 | ||
Dear charis...You wrote in referring to contemporary prophets.... " (a)And the words they speak will always be in accord with the Bible, and (b)be harmonious with the Spirit that speaks to your heart." To (a)I reply: And if they are not should we still consider them a prophet? And to (b) I reply: There is only One Spirit that speaks to my heart. And if the words are not harmonious should we still consider them a prophet? We will never get closer on this topic I'm afraid. But I know that we will once again find ourseleves in agreement :-) God Bless....Jensen |
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32 | Prophet idolatry? | Job | Jensen | 32826 | ||
Dear prophet ezra brown....You wrote... "i don't believe we as prophets should speak a thing unless we can back it with the word"....to which I reply...I thought it was God speaking through you. Who are you then to decide what God shall say to the people. Do you think God must back up His Word with the Bible? Please. God Bless....Jensen |
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33 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32825 | ||
Dear prophet ezra brown...Let me ask you one question for which I will expect a DIRECT answer. When you prophecy do you include the words..."The Lord says", or "The Lord wants you to know...", or, "Thus sayeth the Lord" or any similar type of a way to begin your prophecy? Just curious. :-) A direct answer is a simple yes or no. (You can answer sometimes so that I may know you will not answer directly to what we both know to be the truth of my question.) Then, if you reply I promise to muster all the civility I have to inquire further. I really only want to battle the Enemy, not you dear brother in Christ. Really!! God Bless....Jensen |
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34 | Truly searching for a prophet? | Job | Jensen | 32822 | ||
Dear Ray....You wrote ..... "If Jensen is looking for a perfect prophet he will not find one for there is none righteous, no not one".....to which I reply....I am not looking for a perfect prophet since I agree there are none. But our God IS perfect. I am looking for the prophet whose prophecies in the name of God are perfect. If they are not perfect (accurate) then they are NOT from a perfect God. Then the prophet should not be listened to on his next prophecy or, in this case, his next guess. Simple. Easy to understand. No equivocation. I think it is the only way to bring unity in this area of our Faith. Thanks for your consideration of my position. God Bless....Jensen |
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35 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32818 | ||
Hello again dear prophet ezra brown… You Wrote... "...also 1corithians13:8 Charity never faileth:but wether there be prophecies, they shall fail" ......which you have taken to mean a reference to prophecy....but it is not....it is a comparison of the gift of love (or Christian Charity) to all the other gifts including prophecy. Context. And you wrote... "I could prophesy to someone the blessings of God and put a date on it but if they do not believe they will not receive".... Do you really think that God would depend on us to have what He said come true. That our actions will somehow either nullify or bring about what He says (through the Prophet)? You can put a date on it? I thought that God spoke through the Prophet. I thought that God would indicate a time frame. He can say "If my people will.......then I will....." He said it but He already knows what will happen, we are the ones who do not know what will happen. .....Goodness Gracious Man! Do you lay GUILT on the believer for the false prophecy from your own mouth. If the prophecy proves to be untrue then you are still in good stead as a prophet, it’s just those pesky weak believers that are the problem. Are you also a member of the "name it and claim it faith movement"? Study the context of the passages. That means understanding what has just transpired, or is being discussed, before the passage in question. Surely, one shared quality among the prophets is Biblical context. Sometimes some of us need to work a little harder on what is already before us. I have my own challenges...you have yours :-) God Bless....Jensen |
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36 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32317 | ||
Dear EProphet....Thank you and may God bless you and yours. Since you choose to not defend your position I will take that as a weakness of the position. Not that you are wrong...but that you are simply unable to persuade. Thanks for your input and I look forward to seeing your posts in the future. Perhaps we may find ourselves on the same side of a future issue that comes up on the Forum. I hope that my sometimes gruff manner will not be a stumbling block for your future participation. I love you in Christ Jesus. God Bless....Jensen |
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37 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32283 | ||
Dear Charis…..I welcome your thoughts of course. You wrote:… “It seems (pardon me If I am wrong) that you are being awfully confrontive in your interrogation of our new forum friend.”….Guilty as charged. Confrontation in the defense of the Faith is no vice.(Please excuse the shameless pilfering from Barry Goldwater) You Wrote… “I think that modern prophets are about as accurate as historical prophets, providing that 1) they ARE prophets, and 2) they prophesy in the name of the Lord (Jesus).” Please correct me if I am wrong…..is there a biblical case in point where historical Prophets were wrong? I do not know. If there is no case of a historical Prophet being wrong, meeting the conditions you impose, then there is no case of a contemporary Prophet being wrong meeting those same conditions. I agree of course. So……a contemporary “prophet” that is wrong once, just once, is no prophet of God. Perhaps a dreamer, but no Prophet. The question then remains, and lives or dies on accuracy. You are familiar, I am certain, with the claims of “prophets” that periodically show up at various settings including this web site. Do we forget so soon the “prophets” of doom and destruction, and the fore-tellers of the Second Coming that abounded at the turn of the millenium? Only the Bereans were the nay sayers. You Wrote… “What is prophecy? Many are hung up on the 'prognosticator' aspect of this ministerial gift. According to my Bible, a prophet is a 'forth-teller' of God's word and will, not *necessarily* a future-teller.” …….Dear Friend Charis….What is the difference? Both speak to the future. If there is a semantic problem here it is most likely my error. Please correct me. You Wrote… “It seems that the real question is, "Why are so many charlatans called prophets?" No my friend. The only question I have is on accuracy, not gullibility, and the listener has no choice, especially in a Church setting dominated by false prophets. My concern is for the new Christian. Would a false prophecy lead the new believer to leave the Church by way of the back door? I think it would. In fact I think it SHOULD! A similar situation is found with the Gift of Tongues in some Churches….Would you agree that simple peer pressure leads to endless and meaningless babble at SOME Churches? How do you praise God while laughing and being silly? It must be an affront to our Lord. I am a witness to the silliness. There are churches that use a “primer phrase” that goes like this: “Shoulda Boughta Honda, Shoulda Boughta Honda, Shoulda Boughta Honda” repeated over and over until the Gift “kicks in.” Is that foolish to you? Do we let it go unchallenged, this impertinence to our beliefs in the Gifts? Peer pressure. Group psychology. Mass hypnosis. All are practiced by the stage magician. Well I am a bit over the top sometimes but I do so to defend the Faith: Not excuse the mockery and go on with my life. Make no waves etc. Christianity deals with facts not make believe. A prophet is no Prophet if he is wrong…just once. But I remain open to Scriptural support for the position that sometimes true Prophets of God are wrong. Got Milk? :-) And finally dear Charis you wrote… “Please remember that we do NOT have a record of every word that Isaiah spoke.” The implication of that statement is that perhaps, just perhaps, Isaiah had some false prophecies himself that we do not know of. That is icky. You really do not believe that any more than I. But you are a true peacemaker. And your sense of fair play is honed far greater than mine. God Bless….Jensen |
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38 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32260 | ||
Dear EProphet….Your gentleness is disarming. And your gentleness is alarming! Uncle Screwtape is proud of your effort. You are not claiming to be a prophet?…. but your screen name is EProphet? DT 18:21 “You may say to yourselves, "How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?" 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.”....Or, in other words, disregard anything he/she says and any advice he/she gives except that which is clearly based in Scripture. You Wrote… “You will find no spirit of fear in the Words of a true prophet. If it comes from God, it is of love.” I do not want to split hairs but… JNH 3:10 “When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction he had threatened.”…sounds like a threat of destruction. And you will say “A threat based in love” no doubt. Well perhaps. AND ALSO….. 1KI 20:36 “So the prophet said, "Because you have not obeyed the LORD, as soon as you leave me a lion will kill you." And after the man went away, a lion found him and killed him.”… Dear friend…“…as soon as you leave me a lion will kill you”….is also from love? AND ALSO…. 1KI 20:41 Then the prophet quickly removed the headband from his eyes, and the king of Israel recognized him as one of the prophets. 42 He said to the king, "This is what the LORD says: “You have set free a man I had determined should die. Therefore it is your life for his life, your people for his people. " AND MORE……. 2CH 21:12-15 “…..This is what the LORD, the God of your father David, says: ……14 So now the LORD is about to strike your people, your sons, your wives and everything that is yours, with a heavy blow. 15 You yourself will be very ill with a lingering disease of the bowels, until the disease causes your bowels to come out.” "….If that were said by a modern prophet would you consider it Words with a “spirit of fear”? AND JUST ONE MORE OF MANY, MANY MORE…. 2CH 28:9-11 But a prophet of the LORD named Oded was there, and he went out to meet the army when it returned to Samaria. He said to them……..Send back your fellow countrymen you have taken as prisoners, for the LORD's fierce anger rests on you." Anger not Love. And finally you wrote, (and this takes the award for chutzpah) “However, a prophet may enlighten you on things in your life, or their life. Example; if a prophet came to you and said, "Jensen, there is something in your spirit that isn't right", they may sit down and talk to you about something specific in your life.” DT 18: 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." ….and surely the false prophet will die. There is not much difference between your example and a palm reader, if any. Perhaps a better example is needed :-) You Wrote… “Pay close attention to the events in the world. We are in the last days.” And …. “There are mighty things to happen in this last generation.” No….We are not in the last days. People have been claiming the last days since Acts 2:42. The Biblical fact (Jesus Words) is that no one knows….Not even you. In closing, be happy that you are saved by Grace. Avoid claims that you believe enhance your own position among men in His Church. He will not care...and will find humor in your claim because you are still His. It reminds me of those who babble and claim it is the Gift of Tongues. There claim is made by way of peer pressure only. But beware that you are not put to death for leading others astray. Really! God Bless….Jensen, in search of a true Prophet of God. |
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39 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32249 | ||
Dear prophet ezra brown...You may already know that you have not answered my sincere question or, possibly, I was not clear which would be a shortcoming of mine. Let me say this since I know you are new to the Forum: Here, on the Forum, Christians must support their contentions with Scriptural proof or no one will take them seriously, no matter how seriously they take themselves. This is a place of HONEST debate and discussion where, when challenged, the Christian MUST provide the Scriptural support for a claim, OR state that it is opinion only with NO SCRIPTURAL PROOF. Which shall it be with you? We so look forward to your future participation. So...will you join or fight? Believe me when I say that much more is to be learned by joining.Please provide the basis for your statement ......“BUT THE BIBLE SAYS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE SHALL A WORD BE CONFIRMED." ....Or restate the statement to conform with Scripture. Either is welcome...really! The closest I have come is in Corinthians and has NOTHING to do with “prophetic confirmation” but order in the Church. To wit: 1CO 14:29 Two or three prophets should speak, and the others should weigh carefully what is said. 30 And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting down, the first speaker should stop. 31 For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged. 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. 33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. The verses in Mark have NOTHING AT ALL to do with Prophets as you must know. Please do not let us think that you are blowing smoke. Prophets (true and false) know better. Do you not know that to claim a thing Biblical when it is not is missing the mark for a Christian? Impressing each other is not part of the Great Commission. Do you believe the following Scriptural warning applies only to the Book of Revelation? Some do, and some say it applies to the entire Bible. I’m not sure. Are you? REV 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. God Bless….Jensen |
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40 | Are Modern Prophets Always Accurate ? | Job | Jensen | 32187 | ||
Dear prophet ezra brown.... Praise God for your Gift. Please tell us if you can what you see. I observe Acts 17:11 "Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." So please tell me where the Scripture is that talks about the Prophets and which you quoted . I am having a hard time finding it. You Wrote…. "BUT THE BIBLE SAYS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE SHALL A WORD BE CONFIRMED." Is that OT or New? Please help. God Bless....Jensen |
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