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181 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | Scribe | 85281 | ||
I understand your unwillingness to embrace such an interpretation, EdB and as I stated in my post "I do not content for this interpretation since it belongs in the realm speculation, but it works best for me at this time and better than most commentaries I have read thus far." Also as you accurately quoted me as saying "Moses' body Might have been taken to heaven," This is not speaking with authority. If I spoke with authority I would say that this is the undeniable clear meaning of the text and beyond all dispute. But I do not say such a thing. Your ideas are as valid as mine since we do not have clear explanation of the dispute over the body of Moses. The fact is that we have it in Jude and only what God wanted us to know is the most important which is, that we ought to humble ourselves and not presume upon God or the adminstrations of God when it comes to things we no nothing about such as angels and their ministries. I understand that Jude had to content with gnostics and Judaizers as the other apostles also did, and that he is rebuking them for their arrogant attitudes thinking they have inside knowlege about angels and such things, and also that they think they have the the right to rail against authorities, (whether in the church, or heavenlies) It is simply a rebuke toward them that even Michael who is greater in authority and might than satan (and also than these railers) did not bring railing accusation against satan, but appeals to the authority of God who is Judge of all. We also must be careful not to rail against authorities either in the church or without, or for that matter even agains satan, calling him names and thinking that by our wrathful spewing of words upon him that we somehow are able to have an effect on him. We should simply say the Lord rebuke you, to satan, and the powers of darkness. However taking up the argument that this reference is in the word of God to hint at anything else besides that one lesson, maybe it applies to your interpretation and maybe it applies to mine or maybe we are both wrong. I think if we use scripture to compare with scripture and look up all the references in the bible that have to do with "The Lord Rebuke you" or other references where satan and michael fight it seems more fitting that we would be on the right path of gaining insight than if we simply imagine other possible scenarios with no biblical pattern based on this text. At least that is the only thing I feel comfortable persuing. If I cannot find other references of like kind, I might as well leave it alone altogether because anyones guess is as good as anothers. Concerning the idea that the warfare is legal in nature. This is not something I made up today. It has been expounded upon by many scholars in church history and I am only agreeing with them that I have often seen the same pattern in the scriptures. The whole Bible declares this progression of the Justice of a Holy God not being violated by a cheap grace. The fact that Jesus had to die and rise again to purchase your salvation.. Legal justification.. That God would be Just and the Justifier of him that believes in Jesus is about this. Remember the story of Job. This is not some fairy tale or parable that never happened. Satan did indeed appear before God and accuse Job.. this is a picture of what still goes on. Satan is still accusing the brethren night and day. But there is coming a day when he is cast down and not allowed into this heavenlie court and that is what happens in Revelation. Of course there are those that have different views. Many see the battle in revelation as having already occurred when satan originally fell. I do not see it that way becuase the rejoicing of the saints having overcome him by the blood of the Lamb is associated with this event and would mean that it had to either happen at the cross or resurrection or at the future resurrection. May God Bless You as You study His Word. |
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182 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | Scribe | 85283 | ||
I personaly do not think that Jude is quoting from the Assumption of Moses. The Assumption of Moses, for those that do not know, was in extant at the time of Origen, who thought that Jude might be referring to it. However there is no proof that the Assumption of Moses was in extant at the time of Jude. If it was then it seems to me that Jude would have made it clear in some way like Paul did that he was quoting from an extra biblical source, such as "one of your own prophets has said." But Jude mentions it like it is actual history and so I think it was most likely a Jewish tradition that contained truth. This is the only way I can reconcile it in my mind so far. I think that The mention of Enoch and this mention are not quotes from apocryphal books but rather there have been books written by gnostics and other spurious writers that attempted to fabricate stories based on these mentions in the Bible. But I that is my opinion and I am aware that there are many that have a different one. May God Bless you as you study His Word. |
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183 | Why did Satan want Moses bones? | Jude 1:9 | Scribe | 85323 | ||
The existance of the Book of Enoch among the dead sea scrolls does not proove that Jude was quoting Enoch. It could be that the Jews held to a tradition about a prophecy of Enoch that Jude quotes perfectly under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and that the writer or writers of the book of Enoch knew of this tradition also but fabricated their version to the point of ridiculousness, as it is fairly obvious that it is a fabulous tale from writers with Greek influence. So Jude's quote of known tradition among the Jews, and the book of Enoch merge on the tradition, but Jude may not necessisarily be quoting from Enoch. The same with the mention of the Body of Moses, it is very possible that Jude was mentioning only that part of Jewish tradition that was actually true history not quoting from the Assumption of Moses, and that the writer of the Assumption of Moses had taken up their own account of the same tradition. There is no evidence that Jude was quoting from these books. The way Jude simply speaks of it as known history makes it sound more like he was speaking of known tradition among the Jews. I really do not know for sure whether he was quoting from them or not. If he was I do not believe that gives them authority as scripture anymore than when Paul quoted from Greek poets. When it comes right down to daily living, I have to believe God has preserved His Word as He said He would, If Jude quoted the book of Enoch, and Enoch is not scripture, then it only stands to reason that the revelation of what Enoch prophesied was passed down through history, before the writing of the book of enoch, and that this account was never recorded by the prophets until Jude, is simply a Divine manifestation of God keeping certain things secret until the time came. And it really does not matter much to me, because even if he was quoting from the book of Enoch, the truth that he is giving at the time is all about the coming of the Lord and judgement upon the ungodly that are teaching false doctrine. If that is what we focus on in this passage we do not really care who he is quoting, we see that this truth of Jude is in agreement with the whole Bible, where as the things in the book of enoch are not at all in agreement but gross Greek/Hebrew fables. |
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184 | WHY DOSE IT HAVE TO BE MOSSES AND ELIJAH | Revelation | Scribe | 43265 | ||
If one can understand this verse then they can understand the two witnesses. Zechariah 4:11-14 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. |
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185 | gold refined | Rev 3:18 | Scribe | 63519 | ||
Gold tried in the fire is faith having gone through testing. May God bless you as you continue in faith.1 Peter 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: | ||||||
186 | gold refined | Rev 3:18 | Scribe | 63666 | ||
might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Peter was talking to saints 2000 years before Christ has returned, and saying that the trials they were going through then are going to be REWARDED at the appearing of Jesus Christ. When Jesus Comes again we enter into an inheritance that is worth all that we might endure in the way of suffering for his name now. |
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187 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44226 | ||
If the 144000 are literal, then the seal on their fourhead must also be literal. I mean if you take the numbering of them to signify that they are literal then the sealing of the forehead which is in the very same sentence of the number must also be literal. If the 144000 is literal, what is the meaning? Does then God only choose men for these 144000? Why would he leave out women? If it is literal does it signify that marriaige or having sex relations with a wife defiles a man? If you spiritualize the idea of the reference to being virgins and not having defiled themselves with women then have you not just flip flopped from a literal application to a spiritual application on a whim with no reference to "like as"? Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; DO you see any connection to this mutlitude and the 144000? Such as both being different representations of the redeemed people. Revelation 7:10-12 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. I want you to notice that the 24 elders are here. In Rev 4-5 we see that the 24 elders are not 24 special men. They are not just 12 apostles and 12 patriarchs, Because they sing a song and they say they are redeemed from every tribe tongue people and nation, so therefore we know they are not just Jews, and we know that there are more than 24 tribes tongues peoples and nations and therefore we conclude God is trying to present to us a vision of a bigger picture, namely that of the priesthood of the believer. So all those ready at his coming are promised to be part of this 24 elder (judges) partaking with Christ in the adminstration of judgement upon the earth. Though that is another topic. Here we see the elders who are spiritual representations of all tongue peoples and nations. This is beyond dispute because that is who they say they are and we cannot argue with them they know who they are..Revelation 5:8-10 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. So I know that it is not yet made manifest that the 144000 in this chapter Rev 7 are spiritual, but we see the 24 elders here and we know that they are. But this is not the only reference to the 144000 Revelation 14:1-5 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. Continued.... |
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188 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44227 | ||
CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST..... And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God. So here the 144000 are with the 24 elders. Now in this chapter there is every reason to take it as spiritual. 1) the 24 elders are beyond all question spiritual representation of redeemed people from every tribe people and nation and tongue. So why wouldn't the 144000 be a representation of a larger group since they are seen here at that same place. 2) the Lord is not respector of persons and does not save only men from the Tribulation and exclude women. 3) God does not consider a prophet less of a holy prophet if he is married. So what is the message then and why number all the tribes? Possible answers are that God is trying to tell us that.. a) all saints enter into the True Israel of God which is in the heart b) The numerical message is that ALL of Israel will be saved, 12000 of each tribe and 12 tribes is significant of the fact that the promises of God concerning Israel, (if they turn to Christ) will be fulfilled. c) It will be in this time of Jacobs trouble that Israel as a nation begins to change their religion to embrace Jesus Christ as Lord. There will be those that do not of course but I think there will be national revival that will include the Israeli government, which in Israel's case is critical to obeying God. When that happens certain promises and prophecies will be fulfilled. And they will be COMPLETE, this will be their final counting. The numbers of the OT have to do with this day. You thought those numbers were just about historical data but those numbers in the OT are prophetic. The last numbering of Israel will be when they come in to the kingdom. And God will close the doors afterwards. This numbering is not meant to be literal but a vision that John has of a bigger picture. I have not yet expressed the fulness of this picture, but it is coming to me as I examine the text and pray. May God Bless you in your Study of His Word. |
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189 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44378 | ||
If we take the word at face value then it says the 24 elders are from every tribe tongue people and nation. If we take the word at face value it says there was a woman clothed with the sun with the moon under her feet. Do you think there will be a human woman that appears in the last days that will be this person? I think you would agree it is symbolic. If the woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet is symbolic then it might be that there is symbolism here also. | ||||||
190 | Who are the 144000? Is it literal | Rev 7:4 | Scribe | 44913 | ||
I know that is a common teaching. And I am not saying I know whether it is or isn't the correct application. But using common sense and a fair a logical approach to the text, context, and additional references of these 144,000 I am leaning more toward symbolism everyday. I used to think that the scorpion tailed beasts from the bottomless pit were creatures that go around stinging men, but I am beginning to see something in the OT on where the symbolism came from in which case I see an application that is fits a larger stream of truth than that of hellish animals let loose among men. We say let scripture interpret itself and so we apply many OT passages to the book of Revelation and find understanding. But when it comes to the 144000 we seem to quit trying that approach. We use Daniel and apply it to the beast of Rev 13 and we recieve understanding, but when the scorpion tailed creature show up for some reason few prophecy teachers try to find the OT passage that sheds light on these. It is true that it takes diligent study to understand it but I think the Lord actually wrote it that way. Only the diligent will see the underlying truths here. | ||||||
191 | Two different groups of 144,000? | Rev 14:1 | Scribe | 46345 | ||
Or as the 4 beasts that have the face of man, lion, ox and eagle are in the throne and coming out of the throne and the 24 elders around the throne all say they are from every tribe nation, people and tongue, thus making it clear that the 4 creatures is a message and not meaning 4 special creatures, and the number 24 is a message and not just 24 special people, then it stands to reason that the 144000 number and the tribes named is a message and not just 144000 special males jews. This fits into the whole truth stream of Dan, and Rev and so I take it as symbolic of a greater truth. | ||||||
192 | Does Rev 22:19 teach loss of salvation? | Rev 22:19 | Scribe | 41095 | ||
Two points. One I have known people that were born again and lived it and after many years just went back into the world of obvious wicked living. These people are not going to heaven according to Paul when he said, be not decieved brothers (christian brothers) they that practice (unrepenting) drunkenness, fornication etc are not going to inherit the kingdom of heaven. Therefore I know that these people were born again, we were very close and they once lived in holiness and spoke intimately of the truths of Christ in them. But now they are drunkards and fornicators. You can construct all the twists and turns around scripture but Paul says they are not going to heaven unless they repent. You can say they were not born again but that is far worse sort of judgement on your part than agreeing with Paul that people that live like that are not going to heaven. Or you can say they are going to heaven but loosing rewards, but that is to confuse ministry works with wicked lifestyle. You can say the kingdome of heaven is seperate than eternal life, but that is trying too hard to dodge what Paul said. Now I do not understand how one that is born again and has known the joy of walking with God can live in sin any length of time without suffering a nervous breakdown. I know that christians will sometimes fall. I know that they are not unsaved if they fall. Having fallen before and experienced the misery of it I have no fear of losing my salvation. I understand that he that is born of God cannot sin, or cannot stay in sin becuase it is too hard for him. He will be too miserable because of the Word of God in him. If you are born again of the Word of God you will not be able to stay in sin. If someone does stay in sin and you know they have been born again, do not comfort them with lieing words that they are going to heaven anyway. All the apostles wrote and preached about it as though eternal damnation waits for those that do not repent. Let us preach the same way. Point 2 I love the book of Revelation and I am glad the KJV scholars kept true to the language when they used words like angel in Rev 2-3 which by doing so brings out truths that changing it to messenger would have ruined. |
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