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NASB | Jude 1:9 But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil (Satan), and arguing about the body of Moses, did not dare bring an abusive condemnation against him, but [simply] said, "The Lord rebuke you!" [Deut 34:5, 6; Zech 3:2] |
Subject: Why did Satan want Moses bones? |
Bible Note: I understand your unwillingness to embrace such an interpretation, EdB and as I stated in my post "I do not content for this interpretation since it belongs in the realm speculation, but it works best for me at this time and better than most commentaries I have read thus far." Also as you accurately quoted me as saying "Moses' body Might have been taken to heaven," This is not speaking with authority. If I spoke with authority I would say that this is the undeniable clear meaning of the text and beyond all dispute. But I do not say such a thing. Your ideas are as valid as mine since we do not have clear explanation of the dispute over the body of Moses. The fact is that we have it in Jude and only what God wanted us to know is the most important which is, that we ought to humble ourselves and not presume upon God or the adminstrations of God when it comes to things we no nothing about such as angels and their ministries. I understand that Jude had to content with gnostics and Judaizers as the other apostles also did, and that he is rebuking them for their arrogant attitudes thinking they have inside knowlege about angels and such things, and also that they think they have the the right to rail against authorities, (whether in the church, or heavenlies) It is simply a rebuke toward them that even Michael who is greater in authority and might than satan (and also than these railers) did not bring railing accusation against satan, but appeals to the authority of God who is Judge of all. We also must be careful not to rail against authorities either in the church or without, or for that matter even agains satan, calling him names and thinking that by our wrathful spewing of words upon him that we somehow are able to have an effect on him. We should simply say the Lord rebuke you, to satan, and the powers of darkness. However taking up the argument that this reference is in the word of God to hint at anything else besides that one lesson, maybe it applies to your interpretation and maybe it applies to mine or maybe we are both wrong. I think if we use scripture to compare with scripture and look up all the references in the bible that have to do with "The Lord Rebuke you" or other references where satan and michael fight it seems more fitting that we would be on the right path of gaining insight than if we simply imagine other possible scenarios with no biblical pattern based on this text. At least that is the only thing I feel comfortable persuing. If I cannot find other references of like kind, I might as well leave it alone altogether because anyones guess is as good as anothers. Concerning the idea that the warfare is legal in nature. This is not something I made up today. It has been expounded upon by many scholars in church history and I am only agreeing with them that I have often seen the same pattern in the scriptures. The whole Bible declares this progression of the Justice of a Holy God not being violated by a cheap grace. The fact that Jesus had to die and rise again to purchase your salvation.. Legal justification.. That God would be Just and the Justifier of him that believes in Jesus is about this. Remember the story of Job. This is not some fairy tale or parable that never happened. Satan did indeed appear before God and accuse Job.. this is a picture of what still goes on. Satan is still accusing the brethren night and day. But there is coming a day when he is cast down and not allowed into this heavenlie court and that is what happens in Revelation. Of course there are those that have different views. Many see the battle in revelation as having already occurred when satan originally fell. I do not see it that way becuase the rejoicing of the saints having overcome him by the blood of the Lamb is associated with this event and would mean that it had to either happen at the cross or resurrection or at the future resurrection. May God Bless You as You study His Word. |