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141 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205471 | ||
Hey Dan, sorry to get back to you so late. At lunch now so will make this quick. Will you provide Scripture to support your statement please. Matthew 18:15-17 may have a broad application here, but it certainly is not speaking of the marriage relationship. If anything, it might give us a model to follow if we intend to try and save the marriage. We are in agreement that God calls us to forgive those who sin against us. But can you point to Scripture that requires the victim of adultry to go through a process (like or similar to Matt 18:15-17) before being allowed to divorce in accordance with Matthew 19:9 You wrote that it doesn't "automatically give the other partner the right to divorce." I'm presenting to you that it absolutely gives the other person the RIGHT to divorce. I believe we agree that a person shouldn't "automatically" divorce. The institution of marriage is, I believe, so sacred that a Christian should "automatically" seek God's guide and explore the possibility of saving the marriage. But Scripture doesn't require it that I have found. These kinds of exchanges are excellent, in my opinion, in helping each of us consider topics like this beyond what we have always heard or thought about on the surface. thanks and God bless, Jeff |
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142 | No Fruit? | John 15:8 | jlhetrick | 205469 | ||
Val- good points. I too struggle with knowing what God will have me do. I hope it's not perceived as taking the easy road, but over the years, I'm learing to be more patient and not act when it's not clear to me. God's plan will be accomplished. I believe we can be sure that if we are fully submissive to Him (the hard part often for me) He will have us where he wants us. As for pastors staying in churches your right. I can't answer it specifically. I will say though that there is a difference (as I see it) between those who "plant" churches (as Paul did) and those who pastor them. I have heard more than one local pastor speak of being called by God out of one church and into another. I'm not one to question them. In some cases they had been in either church for decades. If I were called to pastor a church (not likely) I would hope the Lord would allow me to stay put somewhere in order to maintain stability in my family. I have moved around a bit already and understand how that effects family stability and relationships. God bless, Jeff |
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143 | No Fruit? | John 15:8 | jlhetrick | 205461 | ||
I agree Steve. I believe that this will always be the case. We, like Paul for example, will always fall short on some level. My point was more to the issue of some not recognizing their falling short for what it is and mistake it for God not working. Jeff |
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144 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205423 | ||
Sorry Tam- I wasn't referring to 1Cor 6:9, that was already attached to the thread from previous posts. I was referring to the second half of 2Tim 4:2 which you quoted in your post to Doc. Sorry I wasn't more specific and I can see how you were confused. Just finished cleaning the pool and I believe I'm a little fish-headed. Jeff |
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145 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205419 | ||
Tamara- this is a great verse to always keep in front of us as we study. I'm hoping that you didn't mean to imply that the second half of the verse applies to anyone participating in this particular thread. God bless, Jeff |
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146 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205418 | ||
Dearest Tamara- I believe we have said as much as we can at this point on the subject. Still, it's sad to hear that another would have warned you to discontinue the discussion. Some are of the opinion that if there is disagreement for more than a post or two and any emotion and/or passion involved, it should not continue. Quite the contrary in my opinion. Exchanges like we have had on this topic are just the sort of thing that pushes me hard to dig deep in my exploration of God's word. Like I said before, I observe you as a serious bible student with a good foundation in the truth of God's word. Look forward, hopefully, to other discussions that will cause growth in us both and hopefully others that participate or follow along. God bless, Jeff |
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147 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205389 | ||
Not to worry- your post provided the Scriptural reference that I neglected to include. Thanks again, Jeff |
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148 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205388 | ||
Your welcome Cheri- Glad it was helful sister. Jeff |
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149 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205380 | ||
Not to worry John, your comments did bring the smile and I believe I was following you for the most part. In all honesty, my comments back were meant as much for other readers as they were for you. God bless, Jeff |
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150 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205379 | ||
Thanks Doc- If you reread my post you will find where I pointed this out immediately after the statement you quoted. I wrote: "While we are not free to judge another's salvation, we can safely assume that a person who continues in a willful lifestyle of gross sin against God may not be saved at all..." Thanks for providing the Scriptural reference to support that statement though. God bless, Jeff |
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151 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205377 | ||
Tamara- to “just stop answering everyone who decides to post” to you really doesn’t sound like the right way to handle it. You ask questions and give answers to include taking different positions on some issues than others. When someone takes a different position or challenges what you are saying you respond very defensively; threatening to stop posting isn’t helpful. My observation of you so far is that you study diligently, love the Lord and His word, and have a better foundation in Scripture than the average person posting here does (no offense to anyone). I wouldn’t waste my time interacting with you if I didn’t think I could either help you get some things right or have you do the same for me. To the point: You ask me to show you where in the text in 1Cor 7 does it say you are free to remarry. Perhaps you missed my entire point. I asked you to look beyond the text (the specific verse) and consider the CONTEXT, not just of 1Cor 7, but the whole of Scripture. Show me where, in the text of 1Cor 7, that it forbids remarriage under the specific circumstance in question. As for pointing to Matthew 19 I still believe that you’re not considering the whole context, or even the immediate of verse 9. I would like to break down that single verse and show where I believe you and I are not agreeing. We both know the surrounding context and so let that shine light on the verse as we examine it. Matthew 19:9 (NASB77) 9 "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery ." As I understand it, you see: Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery. I see: Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery. EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY. “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another woman, EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY, and marries another woman commits adultery.” So the point of my understanding here is that both divorce and remarriage is covered in this single verse. In this case, the man who divorces and remarries commits adultery, EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY. The man who comes along and marries the divorced woman commits adultery, EXCEPT FOR IMMORALITY. If we do away with the qualifier (except for immorality) we are rewriting Scripture. As for my comment asking if you believe you have “special insight” I was not joking nor trying to be offensive. In light of your comment referring to “everyone” it was a fair question. I have been around this forum for some years now and you would be surprised at how many have come and gone that truly believe they have special and even new revelation. So, no offense sister please. You wrote: “My questions were all centered around those that have been saved and then choose to remarry, entering into adultery because they feel that since someone wronged them they can move on, stay in the new relationship, ask for forgiveness about it and expect to find themselves in heaven.” So I believe the meat of your struggle might be enclosed in your quote. You say by choosing to remarry they were “entering into adultery” indicating that your mind was already made up…they were committing adultery. 1Cor 10:13 proves to us that God not only understands our temptations, but that He does not allow us to have experiences in which He does not provide escape from temptation. 1Cor 7:9 makes it clear that there are some, including Christians, who are weaker than others in that they have less self-control regarding their desires. In the case where a person’s spouse commits immorality and there is a resulting divorce, I believe Matthew 19:9 is clearly an open door for the person in 1Cor 7:9. Marriage is the institution of God and God knew from the beginning that men would mess that up too. I believe Scripture clearly makes the case that the innocent party is not left forever (in this life) to “suffer” the consequences of the offender. If one is "unbound", is he or she not left in the position they were before being bound? God bless, Jeff |
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152 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205357 | ||
Tamara- I have some conflict with some things you are saying and would like to bring it to your attention for clarification and/or discussion. You wrote: "I said it before, I will say it again; if this were a case of fornication and someone said, I repent, but kept right on living in it, would you think they were going to heaven? I don't think so, and I bet you don't either, but when it comes to adultery, depending on who is doing the exegesis someone gets a free pass." This is a very problematic statement in light of what Scripture teaches about the sinful state of mankind and the gracious gift of salvation. While keeping oneself free from a particular sin (if possible at all) can do nothing to save us, there is nothing in Scripture that teaches that a Christian participating in sin (even willfully) forfeits his/her salvation. As for your "free pass" comment, you do have that right sister. Free to us, but at great cost. While we are not free to judge another's salvation, we can safely assume that a person who continues in a willful lifestyle of gross sin against God may not be saved at all, we can't rewrite the Scriptures to say what they don't say. When God saves us, each of us, we are utterly sinful. There is no good in us. Eph 2:5 Paul wrote: "1 Corinthians 7:24 (NKJV) 24 Brethren, let each one remain with God in that state in which he was called." Since divorce was legal for the Jews of the day according to Moses it's a fair assumption that many new converts were divorced and remarried. Yet we find nowhere in Scripture where these were told to divorce their current spouse because their situation is one of continuing fornication or adultry. So when we might be compelled to point the finger at others for "reading into" scripture, we might do well to evaluate our own position. You wrote: "In I Corinthians 7:15 we have a big problem with the modern translation of a Greek transiliteration into English. Every one takes this verse to mean if the unbeliever leaves then you are free to remarry. The text says no such thing, it says that if they leave and are an unbeliever then the believer is not bound to reamain married, no where in the that text does it say you are free to get remarried, but people read that into it even though the English grammar, the Greek grammar does not support that." "Every one takes this vers to mean..." Really? And you, perhaps, have some special insight and every one else is wrong? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or nit-pic your post. I simply disagree. I believe my last quote of yours speaks to the problem of trying to analyze the foreign language (of which you are no expert, right?) while throwing out the context of Scripture as a whole. Marriage is an institution of God; Gen 2:18, Matt 19:5-6, Mark 10:7-8. Christians are "bound" by the parameters. In the case where an unbelieving spouse leaves, and the believer is declared by Scripture to no longer be bound by the laws of marriage, by what Scriptural argument do you say they are not free to remarry? You have talked about today verses biblical times and how our understanding needs to consider this. I agree. What would be left to a woman in those times if her unbelieving husband were to walk out on her? I believe when we take this in context, we see the real reason she is considered "free" of the "bonds" of the marriage. One thing we all do well to consider is this. We must approach the Scriptures with a degree of rational thought and common sense. Otherwise, we might end up with a misinterpretation of the words on paper and then try to hold others to the standard of our misunderstanding. I'm sorry, but it seems like your on a crusade here. Forgive me if I'm misreading you. God bless, Jeff |
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153 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205356 | ||
Dan- well put, I agree with everything you wrote brother, except your interpretation of Matthew 19. Will you show me where the unrepentance of the adulterer is a qualifier. Matthew 19:9 (NASB) says: "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery." It does not say except for sexual immorality where there is no repentance. Repentance, or the lack there of, of the adulterer is not included here at all. Thanks in advance, Jeff |
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154 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205354 | ||
Brother, I think it more effective to simply reword your statement to better represent your meaning since at least two people were apparently not understanding your point. The purple jellybeans and chocolate bars analogy steers even further away from clarification I'm afraid. Not much point in continuing with this though. Would you agree it's unfruitful? And the mention of my 4.0 GPA was not to brag, it was to demonstrate how a person can graduate with nothing but A's from a higher education and still not have a good, much less, great command of his own first language. Not blaming the school. I wasn't there to become an expert in (or is it at) English :-) Had my wife, who is much smarter than I will ever be, read most of my papers and trust me, there was plenty of red on most of them. God bless and thanks for working through this with me. Jeff |
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155 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205344 | ||
Tamara- I believe the important thing here is that you have apparently searched both the Scripture and the counsel of spiritual leaders and, apparently, arrived a a conclusion. That is to be applauded. In the end, if you are convinced that something is sinful, then I believe Scripture teaches us that for you, it would be sinful. It is important to seek God's truth and strive to live up to the standard He has called us by His grace. It is also important to never allowing ourselves to take a legalistic approach to living the Christian life. It is interesting that immediately after Paul mentioned that adulterers (among others) will not inherit God's Kingdom (1Cor 6:9) he said “Everything is permissible for me,” but not everything is helpful. “Everything is permissible for me,” but I will not be brought under the control of anything." "1 Corinthians 6:12 (HCSB) Also see 1Cor chapter 8 beginning with verse 1 and read on. Hope this adds something helpful, God bless, Jeff |
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156 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205342 | ||
Hello John, I thought that was probably the problem, comma's or something. Thanks for clarifying. By the way, I did not add the words "(one that has not been)" They were yours, I simply quoted you. As for edumacation, I graduated from graduate school with a 4.0 and still can't spell and I have very poor grammar skills myself. You got me thinking... were they just trying to get rid of me? God bless, Jeff |
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157 | Divorced Do Christians Get Remarried? | 1 Cor 6:9 | jlhetrick | 205328 | ||
John, I'm following lookinforacity on this one but not you. I'm thinking it's a matter of context that's missing from your context. Either that or, you really do mean to say it is not ok to "remarry" somone who is a "widow". Since Scripture clearly allows a widow to remarry I (and lookinfor.. as I understand him/her) don't understand why your saying, and I paraphrase, "remarry... one that has not been......widowed." "...one that has not been married or widowed..." Why not the widowed? That person is free to remarry as specifically taught by Scripture 1Cor 7:39. Reread your quote. I believe it's simply a grammar issue that threw us off. Thanks and God bless, Jeff |
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158 | Apollinarianism | John 1:1 | jlhetrick | 205311 | ||
Wow- now I'll have a name to put on it when I see it posted. Thanks for the post. |
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159 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | jlhetrick | 205262 | ||
Thank you for those words of wisdom Val, Jeff |
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160 | Just out of curiosity. | Phil 1:23 | jlhetrick | 205261 | ||
Hello Jim- NO, not what I'm saying. Thanks for the question. As Paul does, the "milk" and "meat" are alagories. We are born spiritually dead. When we are saved we are sealed, given the Holy Spirit in our hearts, a promise from God 2Cor 1:22. That promise can be found in Phil 1:6 The Scripture says we are "called..with a holy calling". What is that calling? Matthew 5:16 says we are to let our "light shine before men" that they might "see our good works" that those works might "glorify" God. Eph 2:10 says that we are "created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them". When we are saved we are "called...for good works" and those works were "prepared" by God "beforehand". What are those works????? A better question in this context might be...where do we find out those works? Of course the answer is found in only one place. Scripture! So while salvation is of God and God alone, he purposes that we glorify Him through works that He has prepared for us. In other words, we're not called to a "stagnate" life as Christians, therefore, Paul's calling to move beyond the milk. 2Tim 2:15, knowing what we can know as God reveals Himself in His word and "becoming" workmen as He carries out His plan through us. Phil 1:6 speaks to the work of our being sanctified by God. That is a process and while it is fully of God, there is sumbission and participation from us. In referencing the "milk" and the "meat" Paul was not saying there is a process of gaining or losing salvation. He was speaking to their irresponsible response to God having saved them. Understanding this, in my opinion, helps in understanding how God's sovereignty and man's free will coexist. God does the saving (all by Himself) and He does the sanctifying (all by Himself) and we, the saved, participate in the process. Hope this helps clarify my position and I'm sorry if it's a bit knotted up; I am at lunch and only have a short time before I have to get back at it. God bless, Jeff |
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