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141 | Full of the Holy Spirit full time? | Acts 1:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204342 | ||
Dear Doc, I have been studying this again and here is what I found out; Only three people are said to have been full of the Holy Spirit. As Christians we have the ability to act by the power of the devil, or the Holy Spirit. We have the seal of the Holy Spirit as the promise of salvation, but we have not yet reached the final state of glory in which we will constantly operate under the power of the Holy Spirit as Jesus did. We need to be given doses of the Holy Spirit's power even though we already have Him as we are being moved from glory to glory. I believe based on the testimony of the three men, that they always acted under the power of the Holy Spirit and did not waver, did not have instances where the power of Satan moved through them: Barnabas, Stephen and Jesus Christ with the key is that the word full #4134, complete/full is only used only of these three in referrence to having the power of the Holy Spirit, or just the Holy Spirit - Acts 6:5,8 and Acts 7:55 for Stephen Acts 11:22 - 24 for Barnabas Luke 4:1 for Jesus Christ. What do you think? God Bless the hat lady. |
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142 | Was Judas forordained to betray Jesus? | Acts 1:16 | Tamara Brewington | 204170 | ||
Thanks John, God Bless, Tamara | ||||||
143 | When and where was the Pentecost? | Acts 2:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204052 | ||
Thanks for teaching me Sam! God Bless, Tamara | ||||||
144 | When and where was the Pentecost? | Acts 2:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204055 | ||
OK Mike I am so confused by how this site appears to work! Help a gal out... How were you able to answer for Sam? I answered Sam and then you answered me? Good night I don't mind a bit, but perhaps this has to do with threads? Which I cannot seem to find? Tamara | ||||||
145 | When and where was the Pentecost? | Acts 2:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204060 | ||
Azure you are the frist person willing to help me figure this out. Yeah, first Sam did answer me, then Mike answered me back regarding something I had written to Sam... You clear up things just fine... Tamara | ||||||
146 | When and where was the Pentecost? | Acts 2:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204063 | ||
Mike, you ain't intruding guy it's an open forum... Tam | ||||||
147 | Anybody know of a church in Silverdale? | Acts 2:1 | Tamara Brewington | 204334 | ||
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148 | Jewish Holy Days | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204834 | ||
Hello Steven this is Tamara, God's day to you... You are going to have to go back to where you posted this, look down at the bottem of this page you are in and you will see "threads". You accidently posted this note to me, Tamara. You have to highlight what you posted to me accidently and then go back to the thread above mine which is Lookinforacity, click on that and paste your answer to him and resend this post you sent me by mistake. God bless, Tamara |
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149 | Jewish Holy Days | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204837 | ||
No Problem Steve here let me help you out some more and a hearty welcome to the forum! Here is some more info for you about the site. Go to any question that you have asked and scroll all the way down to the bottom of your screen, you will see something called threads. Check the date of your original post, look in there from time to time as members very often go down there to see what is up. Then they often click on a note that was an answer to your question and start talking to one another about your subject without contacting you. You can jump back in the conversation of just observe the converstation. Every day when you come in here click on the already answered questions and look down at the threads, you can jump in at any point in the thread and respond to who ever posted a note in reply to the original question. Also go to where you see on any page a users name and click on it to read who they are and what they are about. If you have not filled in your profile yet please do. Also from time to time you will not be aware of a running conversation, go to the original front page, and on the left top is a window with every latest post whether question or note and you can click on and jump into what people were just talking about latest. Again, welcome to the forum Tamara |
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150 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204958 | ||
Dear Jamison, The text may actually says that the child will not return to David, because the child is dead, but it does say David will go to him, which means David would have to be dead to be going to him... Do you believe in soul sleep? Jesus says of Lazarus, he is not dead he is sleeping. And Jesus says of Jairus daughter she is sleeping. To say that someone had fallen asleep was a very old euhpimism stemming back from the OT where it also speaks of folks going to sleep who had died. It does not have to mean that their souls were asleep, but it can mean that it was simply an idiom of that day for death. Paul says in II Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. Paul was not talking about a 2,000 year plus gap before being able to see the Lord because as soon as he woke up in heaven he would see the Lord. The text does not says that Paul meant souls sleep at death, you have to read that into it. He was saying that to absent from the body is to be present with the Lord with no gap of time indidcated by Paul. Philippians 1:23 But I am hard pressed from both directions, having the desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better. Paul does not have any gap of time in mind here or he would have said so, you have to read a gap into it to get that. Acts 2:29 says that David died and was buried and that his tomb is with us to this day, it does not say that his soul is sleeping in his tomb, you have to read that into it to get that. Peter is making a contrast between David who died and who is no longer holding the throne as the heir and Jesus who rose from the dead as the eternal heir. Peter is not making a point about soul sleep. See Acts 2:29-36 to get the context of why Peter said David's tomb is with us till this day. God's day to you, Tamara |
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151 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 204962 | ||
Dear ChildofGod, When man sinned he destined himself to hell, not God. That is what I meant by that God only chooses some to save. That statement does not leave out that the offer is being made to all men, but the fact is even though the offer was made all men still run away from it unless God uses the Holy Spirit to draw them back. Men do not chose soley on their own, they do choose, but no until the Holy Spirit convincts them of sin in their hearts. Salvation is a work of the Holy Spirit, you don't come to Christ without Him drawing you and woeing you to Him. I do not believe in full Calvinism school (there are many Calvinistic models) that states that God predestined the evil choices of all men and that men do not have a free will at all. I believe that men do have free will, but that without the working of the Holy Spirit will always choose to remain sinners because they are reprobate. That means that God does not foreordain men to be sinners and go to hell. It means that God foreknows who will go to hell and predistines some to be saved by His sovereign Holy will. That every one deserves to go to hell is the point, not whether God predestines any to go to hell, He does not, man made his decision a long time ago. There are schools of thought that believe Adam's sin was never transferred down to other men, as if other men would not have made the same bad choice. These folks think that no one is a sinner until they first commit one sin. The Bible does not teach this though. Neither does it teach that God predestines that some should sin, only that some would be saved. God's justice and mercy are not the same things although God's love is just and merciful. My goal was not to block out justice and mercy as different from God's love, but to see how those three things are working through predestination, foreknowledge and election. Love, justice and mercy all work in concert within the process described in Romans 8 through the three different but related concepts of predestination, foreknowledge and election. However, God's justice does not work the same way as His mercy, one condemns sin, the other forgives sin; He demands payment for sin and then offers every one forgiveness. His love is unconditional in that He loves the sinner, but it is conditional in that He hates the sin. This is one of the mysteries of God. Just as are the processes of predestination, foreknowledge and election. God's day to you, Tamara |
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152 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205008 | ||
Dear Jamison, I don't want the last word. Let's discuss this further off forum to avoid engendering a debate or digressing into a debate amongst all the forum members and you. I do not say this as a pointed comment towards you or forum members at all. And you did not ramble at all, you were being crystal clear about your view. Never feel shy about expressing what you truly believe in detail, it helps to make clear where you are coming from. We will not be debatting this issue at all, we will be discussing it at some length privately so that we can study it until we have exhasted the subject and got at the truth together. As long as we both stick to what we believe is the literal interpretation of the Bible, there will not be a real problem between us. But if there occurs allegorizing scriptures or symbolizing them, then there will most definitely be a problem between us. I do agree with Doc that theology is not based on speculation, and that doctrine is central here, very central, because depending on what you believe about Christ you will either go to heaven, or you will not. I also agree with Doc that a viable theology does not come about before having examined all the evidence, it comes after and is not the cause of misinterpreting scripture, but the preventing of misinterpreting scripture. And as far as soul sleep, that doctrine will not keep you out of heaven, but it did indeed has it's roots in false theologies of churches that carry a false doctrine of who Christ is, what He accomplished, and how redemption from original sin through to the resurrection works, of which soul sleep is a part. By His Grace, Tamara |
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153 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205107 | ||
Dear Jamison, I was under the impression that you wanted to stop posting and go off the forum and discuss this without going any further. I must be mistaken somehow in what your intention was concerning your intention to avoid a debate. I looked at your five scriptures and found that only two of them are about your view, the rest don't fit. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, nor have they any longer a reward, for their memory is forgotten. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going. Here in both verses Solomon makes a contrast between the dead and the living about what they will know about the activities of life. The emphasis here is not on the dead not being aware, it is on the dead no longer having any cognizance of the affairs of life. The affairs of life a running theme through out Ecclesiastes and Solomon is making a point about the vanity of death as being without the same quality as life. And that is the context of this passage, not soul sleep, to say otherwise is to divorce an intrepretation from the author's intent in writting is constrained to the contrast between the quality of life with the vanity of death. Job 14:10-12 But man dies and lies prostrate. Man expires, and where is he? A water evaporates from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dried up, so man lies down and does not rise. Until the heavens are no longer, He will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep. The context of this exerpt from Job 14 is that back up in verse 1 Job speaks of the futility of life. :1 Man, who is born of woman, is short lived and full of turmoil. Like a flower that withers. He also flees like a shadow and does not remain. That first verse is the whole theme for the entire 14th chapter of Job, everthing else is related to and comes out of that verse. Verses 10 through 12 are talking about the futility of life because it ends in death and the dead no longer are roused from the grave and to live. The author's intent in writting about death is constrained to the futility of life because it ends in death, and is not about soul sleep. more to come, Tamara |
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154 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205108 | ||
continuation, Tamara Luke 16:19-26 the story of the beggar Lazarus and the rich sinner who ignored him, passing him by as he sat begging for food at the rich sinners gate. :22 Now the poor man died and was carried away to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man aslo died and was buried. In hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom First point; they both died and were both wide awake, having never fallen asleep accourding to Jesus. Second point; Jesus as God knew better than Solomon in all his wisdom and Job in his misery what actually occurs after death. This is a progression of revelation about death and what happens to one in the Bible, that is if we are going to say that both Solomon and Job had as their intent to say something about the state of folks in death... So of you are going to say that Solomon and Job are really saying something about the state of death, you have to recognize that Jesus as God, who has more authority than they do, is now revealing more about the state of death as progressive revelation. Luke 16:24,25 And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in the water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame'. But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus did bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony'. According to Jesus as God, the rich man was awake and suffering in the torment of flames and was thirsty for even a drop of water. According to Jesus as God, Abraham was awake and answering the rich man's request with a proclaimation of judgment. Luke 16: And besides all this, between us there is a great chasm fixed, so that those who wish to come over from here to you will not be able, and that none may cross over from there to us. According to Jesus both dead men were in one single place, Hades (verse 23), with two compartments, one was hell the other had to be a type of paradise, separated by an uncrossable chasm. This has to be true because Jesus says in John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven; but He who descended from Heaven; the Son of Man. More about this later, it is important in determing the progression of what Jesus revealed about death in the NT. Luke 23:40,42,43 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?" And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in your kingdom!" And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in paradise." The context of this passage in light of subsequent passages drives the meaning in this passage because Jesus was in the grave for three days and did not go up to Paradise until He ascended more than some 40 days later. The context of the passage is that Jesus is being crucified and is on His way to His kingdom in that act. Jesus is about to die and enter into the process of entering His kingdom, the veil of the temple is about to split in two, indicating that Jesus has made a way through to the holy of holies by His death, has entered into His kingdom. When Jesus says, today you shall be with Me in Paradise He is not talking about time, He is talking today He is about to die and go about entering His kingdom and usher the way clear into Paradise for the criminal. We have to look to the reason why Jesus was saying what He was saying to see the true context of those verses. more to come, Tamara |
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155 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205109 | ||
2nd continuation, Tamara Who was the first man to go to heaven? Jesus. When did he go? John 20:17 Jesus said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" Acts 1:3,10 To these present He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. And as they were gazing intently into the sky while He was going, behold, two men in white clothing stood beside them. They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who was been taken, will come up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him to into heaven." Jesus never ascended up to heaven until 40 days passed after He rose on the third day. Jesus was the first man to go to heaven When did the inhabitants of the Paradise compartment of Hades who are all the OT saints and all the saints who believed in Jesus and died before He did, and the criminal, go to heaven? Ephesians 4:8 Therefore it says, "When He ascended on high; He led captive a host of captives, and He gave gifts to men." This is a quote from Psalm 68:18 The rest of the verse goes Even among the rebellious also, that the Lord God may dwell there. The context is about unity in the Spirit in the baptism of Jesus, and the gifts according to the measure of Christ's gift. Verse 8 is about the gifts in the body according to the measure of Christ's gift. But, now what is the measure of Christ's gift? The measure of Christ's gift is what He has accomplished by entering the holy of holies, Therefore it says, "When He ascended on high". "He led captive His captives.", all those in that compartment of Hades where the OT saints were, where the criminal was, where everyone who was a saint who died while Jesus was a live, was led out of that compartment and Jesus paraded them to the whole universe and showed off His captives to the host of heaven while He led them to heaven, having made a way into the veil, into the holy of holies. Hebrews 9:11,12 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption. When Jesus ascended on high leading captive His captives He led them into the holy of holies having obtained the redemption of thier souls. It was not until Jesus ascended to heaven that heaven became open to men, being separated from God by a wall of sin, they were ushered right into the presence of the holy Father God by the blood of Jesus Christ. This is why Paul was then able to say; II Corinthians 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be home with the Lord. Jesus opened up the door to heaven and Paul was talking about going in and being present with Jesus. Paul is not talking about a gap of time either, he is talking about right away. Philippians 1:23 But I am hard pressed from both directions, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, for that is very much better. Paul was desring to depart and go straight to Jesus. more to come, Tamara |
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156 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | Tamara Brewington | 205110 | ||
last continuation, Tamara There is better evidence though that those who die do not fall asleep and then get woken up at the resurrection. Try Revelation. Revelation 6:9-11 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, will you refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth. These are saints who have been killed for their testimony in Christ Jesus and they are awake and crying out in heaven. They have not yet been resurrected from death, they are dead and they are in heaven. Their blood was shed on the earth and they are crying out for justice, imprecating the Lord. Revelation 7:9-11,13,14 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb." Then one of the elders answered me, saying to me, 'These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where do they come from?" I said to him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, 'These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb." A literal intrepretation of the Bible shows without deviance that soul sleep is a twisting of scriptures by taking them out of their proper context in order to fit a false doctrine. False doctrine comes from improper interpretation of scripture every time. This is why the exegesis must drive the theology every single time and why theology prevents a misinterpretation of scripture. This issue has been hashed about for two days now to the tune of over 25 eamils by Doc's last count. You never emailed me and you may have been busy and you don't have to email me. But you were not too busy to keep on posting refutation after refutation to the evidence presented to you over and over. You have me wondering, although not accusing you, what your intention was in saying that to avoid debate you were going to let me have the last post, but then you answered everyone else over and over? I want you to think about what basis you have to continue to believe in soul sleep after this final presentation of the evidence to the contrary to you. By His Grace, Tamara |
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157 | Wisdom has to be believed to get saved? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204016 | ||
My Dear Azure, you are right about me needing to pray some more for this professor. We had about two weeks of debate about this issue via email because I went out evangelizing with the man and went to a fellow students house where we with unbelievers. In the first instance the professor was giving people theological arguments to try and prove that there is a God without proving that Jesus is God out in the park. If he could convince people that there is a God, then and only then, would he give them the saving message of the gospel. In the second instance we were gathered together, believers and unbelievers studying Mathew 7:1-5 discussing what a log in your eye means and what a measure of judgment is and the unbelievers were never given the saving message of the gospel. This is in my mind a great travesty, a lost opportunity and is besides being unequally yoked to unbelievers in ministry and is also equippig unbelievers with Godly wisdom as if they were already saved. In the class the contxt was talking about what is necessary to happen to an unbeliever in order to get saved and his reply was that first you have to have the knowledge of Christ's atonement, then you need to understand the wisdom derived from that knowledge in order to believe and be saved. And the scripture he gave was Colossians 1:9,10, which as you saw does not apply to unbelievers, but to believers. I agree with you that Romans 10:14-17 applies better than what he said, you need to hear the message of a saving faith in Christ and as saving faith comes by hearing the message. According to verse 14, then they can believe once they have heard. Obviously they have to understand the message in order to believe it, but where does grasping the wisdom that the message contains beyond the grasping simple knowledge of the simple message become a necessary requirement? The wisdom that is in the message of a saving faith of Christ can get pretty deep, you mean to tell me a person has to understand all that to get saved? That would include election, predestination, all of the doctrine of salvation, the doctrine of God, the doctrine of the Holy Spirit, the doctrine of Christ and on and on. This man has gone so far as to say that the wisdom that Jesus taught in the parables and the Sermon on the Mount and so on has the power to draw people to a saving faith in Christ. Azure, I have confronted this professor over and over, I am so done... God Bless, Tamara | ||||||
158 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204167 | ||
So the Word of Christ is scriputre, OK got that. 1)II Timothy 3:17,17 is talking about all scriputre being profitable to the man of God, to the saved... 2)Not to the unbeliever, to them it's foolishness I Corinthians 1:18. I agree we need to use sound judgment in choosing a scripture to evangelize. 3)I agree that if you use a scripture and then lead into the message of crucifixion then any scripture can be used, but this guy was not doing that, which I specified in my context. 4)That is why I asked can the wisdom of Jesus alone from the Parables or the Sermon on the Mount have the power to draw people salvifically to Christ? God Bless, Tamara |
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159 | Wisodom has the power to save? | Rom 10:17 | Tamara Brewington | 204178 | ||
Dear John, 1)Mathew 18:15 says If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. Sinning is simply missing the mark, when we don't give the lost the saving message of the Gospel when we are teaching them the scriptures we are missing the mark. All I was doing was pointing out to him this point, not having a confrontational attitude toward my techer. This teacher and I had a running open conversation about this via email for two solid weeks in the spirit opennes and of getting at the truth. This is what I meant by confronting him, I did it in a gentle manner, I started by asking him some questions, not blasting him out of the water. 2)The ubelievers heard the parables because Jesus intended that their ears and eyes whould remain closed because they rejected the messenger, He told the disciples that the parables were for them to understand the msyteries. 3)The Sermon on the Mount is one example of Jesus preaching about the kingdom having come in their midst which was the way people were getting saved then, by repenting of their sins and believing that Jesus was God. 4)Revelation of God and Christ is progressive, from the OT to the NT and from when Jesus was walking around preaching repentance and the kingdom is come to Pentecost after which the disciples stopped preaching repentance and the kingdom is come and started preaching repentance and the crucufixion of Christ. Which should be the gospel we preach to get people saved? 5)I have noticed that I am seen in here at least as being confrontational if I am willing to give an answer for the hope that lies within me, for lack of a better way of stating it. Why is that? 6)When I was gathered with the unbelievers I went along with the program without pointing out anything, or segueing into the gospel message, I waited until we were in private. 7)Glad you are still willing to communicate, God Bless, Tamara |
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160 | Gifts of prophecy and tongues passed? | Rom 16:7 | Tamara Brewington | 203962 | ||
There are several qualifications missing from your list and a misunderstanding of what is meant by the original founding work of the inception of the Church in first century and the continuation of the established church after the first century through out the whole world. Qualification one; Paul's first and most important claim to apostleship is that He personaly met the risen Christ on the Damascus Road. This leaves out everyone who did not meet Christ after He had risen and or asceneded, that is everyone after the first century, none of whom can honestly claim they met Christ in the flesh or like Paul did. If they do run around claiming it they would have a very hard time proving it, Paul had proof, there were people there who saw the light and heard a voice, there was his eyes and Ananias. The rest of the 11 apostles met the risen Christ in the flesh and saw Him ascend into heaven. Qualification two; is that Jesus personally chose the 12, from the original 11 to Paul, He directly commissioned them face to face to be His personal witnesses. No one past the first century can make the claim that Christ came to them face to face, if they are making that claim it will be hard to prove it. Qualification three; is that each apostle went and began the church, not continued the church growth, they began the church were before it did not exist on earth, not in a place or two, on the earth itself. It started at Pentecost and then 4 groups of people were brought into the church by the apostles that represent the whole world then and now, the Jews to whom it was promised, the Samaritans who worshipped the right God the wrong way, the Gentiles who were unbelievers or God fearers, those who had received the repentance of John and the baptism of John who had not yet heard the gospel. No one after the first century brought a new type of group in, they were all either pagans, in which case they were Gentiles, or they were people who repented of sin but did not yet hear the gospel, or they worshipped the right God the wrong way, or they were Jews, there are no other groups waiting to get in that don't fit inside one of these groups. Anyone who goes around claiming that they are doing church founding haven't got the correct conception of what the apostles were exactly doing. Any one can establish a new church somewhere and grow a membership, that does not make you an apostle because the apostles brought the church itself as a new creation into being, not a new continuation of work that has gone on before in various other places for centuries. The end of God signifying that He was providing for the church by having apostles is that thier work is finished, they brought the church into being on the face of the earth itself as a living body of Christ. The church is here and growing it doesn't need to be founded all over, just continued. Another proof is that Jesus has not come back as the risen Christ to anyone and told them to go be His witnesses. It is one thing to say that we are all commissioned to be His witnesses to go make disciples it is another to have Him appear to you like to Paul, or like to the 11 and be told to go bring a group that has never been brought in, like the Gentiles, the Jews, the Samaritans, the repenters and baptized of John. No one can make that claim any more. If you look closely at the qualifications you will see that the 500 don't qualify because Jesus did not personaly commission them or give them a group to go bring in and that applies to anyone today who claims to have had a divine revelation of Christ telling them they are an apostle today too. There is a definite demarcation between the initial founding of the church as I have described and its continuance past the first century, historicaly and in scripture because the qualifications are in the scripture and history shows it was finished being founded by the end of the first century. Your answer was more than reasonable, I will have to search for if you answered about the other two gifts somewhere... By the way Romans 16:7 says that these people were notable amongst the apostles as in they were associated with the apostles, it does not say they were apostles. One more important point before I forget, a trouble passage; Acts 1:25, 26 where the aposltes drew lots to chose a new apostle to replace Judas. Theologians take this seriously stating that this man is in fact qualified as a apostle the aformentioned above not forgoing because Peter is said to be speaking with authority as head of the apostles and only he would know if this man had met the risen Christ and the use of lots goes way back to the OT from the priesthood. But the intersting thing is you never hear of this man again one way or the other and he is said to be an acception in being qualified by Peter and the Lord and not the norm by which to judge qualifications by. Say, next time why don't you share what the Spirit dropped on you? Wew, God Bless, Tamara | ||||||
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