Results 121 - 140 of 177
|
||||||
Results from: Notes Author: khuck Ordered by Verse |
||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
121 | Do you recall the day of your Salvation | John 12:32 | khuck | 103890 | ||
My Dear Brother Christian; All I can say is WOW! How Awesome is our God. And to think I almost did not post this question. The responses are such a Blessing! Indeed He has lifted you up and turned you around, And He has placed your feet on HIGHER ground! I encourage you; that after having done all to stand, continue standing on the Rock of Ages! That is one POWERFUL Testimony! Yours in Christ, -Kathy |
||||||
122 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM! | John 12:32 | khuck | 103896 | ||
I humbly offer this post in peace and graciousness: What if it can be proven that both translations are correct? It took some homework but if I translate the Greek correctly, I think we are all looking through God's same window and just admiring different parts of the view. John12:32 Lifted up from the earth - This is a Hebraism which signifies dying. Death in general is all that is usually imported. But our Lord made use of this phrase, rather than others that were equivalent, because it so well suited the particular manner of his death. I will draw all men - Gentiles as well as Jews. And those who follow my drawings, Satan shall not be able to keep. John 8:28 -Jesus therefore said, When ye have lifted up the Son of man: Greek Lexicon - When ye have lifted up the Son of man: (otan upswshte ton uion tou antrwpou). otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as Indefinite temporal clause with otan (ote "plus" an) and the first aorist active subjunctive of upsow, to lift up (Koine verb from upsov, height), used several times in John of the Cross of Christ (3:14; 8:28; 12:32,34). It is unnecessary to render the aorist subjunctive as if a future perfect, simply "whenever ye lift up" (actually lift up, ingressive aorist). In Acts 2:33 the verb is used of the Ascension. otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Jesus therefore said, "When, whenever, as long as, as soon as , ye have lifted up the Son of man John 12:32 Greek Lexicon - And I, if I be lifted from the earth (kagw an upswtw ek thv ghv). an: case, 1; everyone, 1; except, 1; if, 2; or, 1; though, 2; unless, 34; whatever, 22; when, 2; whenever, 2; wherever, 8; whether, 1; whoever, 17; whomever, 2; upswtw (upsow):That he may exalt you upsow:That he may exalt you (ina upswshi). Purpose clause with ina and first aorist active subjunctive of upsow So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Whenever, wherever, however that you may exalt Him from the earth. I hope this will shed some light -Kathy |
||||||
123 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM! | John 12:32 | khuck | 103899 | ||
I humbly offer this post in peace and graciousness: What if it can be proven that both translations are correct? It took some homework but if I translate the Greek correctly, I think we are all looking through God's same window and just admiring different parts of the view. John12:32 Lifted up from the earth - This is a Hebraism which signifies dying. Death in general is all that is usually imported. But our Lord made use of this phrase, rather than others that were equivalent, because it so well suited the particular manner of his death. I will draw all men - Gentiles as well as Jews. And those who follow my drawings, Satan shall not be able to keep. John 8:28 -Jesus therefore said, When ye have lifted up the Son of man: Greek Lexicon - When ye have lifted up the Son of man: (otan upswshte ton uion tou antrwpou). otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as Indefinite temporal clause with otan (ote "plus" an) and the first aorist active subjunctive of upsow, to lift up (Koine verb from upsov, height), used several times in John of the Cross of Christ (3:14; 8:28; 12:32,34). It is unnecessary to render the aorist subjunctive as if a future perfect, simply "whenever ye lift up" (actually lift up, ingressive aorist). In Acts 2:33 the verb is used of the Ascension. otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Jesus therefore said, "When, whenever, as long as, as soon as , ye have lifted up the Son of man John 12:32 Greek Lexicon - And I, if I be lifted from the earth (kagw an upswtw ek thv ghv). an: case, 1; everyone, 1; except, 1; if, 2; or, 1; though, 2; unless, 34; whatever, 22; when, 2; whenever, 2; wherever, 8; whether, 1; whoever, 17; whomever, 2; upswtw (upsow):That he may exalt you upsow:That he may exalt you (ina upswshi). Purpose clause with ina and first aorist active subjunctive of upsow So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Whenever, wherever, however that you may exalt Him from the earth. I hope this will shed some light -Kathy |
||||||
124 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM! | John 12:32 | khuck | 103903 | ||
Footnote- *****5. (31-36) Jesus plainly proclaims His death a. The world system was judged by its treatment of Jesus at the cross; Satan was defeated there also (Col. 2:14-15); but their defeat is God's victory b. The verb used for lifted up (hypsothenai) has a deliberate double meaning; it signifies not only literal elevation (as on a cross) but also exaltation (in rank or honour). We don't "lift up" Christ with our praises in the sense He means here; He was lifted up on the cross, and we proclaim that fact to the world. We lift Him but proclaiming the work of the Cross.*** Ok I am done on this one :) -Kathy |
||||||
125 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | khuck | 103942 | ||
Hi Noble! :) Please read all of my post regarding this. The translation of the words that Tim and I are using is a correct and more of a Spiritual viewpoint, but it does translate as exaltation in the greek. All that you point to and reference I am in agreement with to. As a matter of fact I also point out these references in my previous post... (wondering if you have read those.) I know that Jesus was signifying the way that He would die. Yet He was also speaking of his being EXALTED. Check out the greek translations. The words "If I be lifted up" translates also within the context that Jesus used the words: Whenever I be exalted, Wherever I be exalted, Whosoever exalts Me" Exalts Mine Exalts Mine Own the words He used actualy translate like this too. Exalting His words draws men, whenever we preach that Gospel we are exalting him before the world. So again I say There is much biblical bases for saying LORD I EXALT YOUR NAME. As I said before It is the only Name that a man call call upon and be saved, demons tremble at the very sound of that Name, it is a Name exalted above all others. I will forever exalt and magnify the Name of Jesus. You don't know what He's done for me, but He gave me victory... and I love Him, deeply Love Him.... I really love the Lord. And that my dearest friend:) is why I say I lift His Name on High or I exalt His Name. I understand your that "facts" are true and I do agree with them. Always yours in Christ, -Kathy |
||||||
126 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103944 | ||
Ok Steve are you and Ed working for the same firm? You wrote: "Shucks; we can't seem to agree on anything." It is KHUCK not SHUCKS and I hope that was just a TYPO!!! (just kidding) Love in Christ -Kathy |
||||||
127 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103948 | ||
Noble you are meaning John 12:32, and not Luke right? I am almost sure you mean John but I don't want to assume:) But as I have pointed out now on this thread with the entire greek translation... It does in fact not only suggest but it translates "exaltation or adoration" in John 12:32. Please see my post ID# 103946 Your friend in Him, -Kathy |
||||||
128 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103957 | ||
Hi Tim! Please check the translation on this one it is enlightening When he said If I be lifted up.... and it also clearly meant besides the death on the cross, If I be exalted. I have pointed out now on this thread with the entire greek translation... It does in fact not only suggest but it translates "exaltation or adoration" as well as being lifted from the earth while on the cross in John 12:32. Please see my post ID# 103946 |
||||||
129 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103960 | ||
Hi Tim :) Sure thing - you translate from the hotan my translations says otan (ote an) (whenever) and upsow -he may exalt you. Nonethess I stated my references below. ***Greek Lexicon - When ye have lifted up the Son of man: (otan upswshte ton uion tou antrwpou). otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as Indefinite temporal clause with otan (ote "plus" an) and the first aorist active subjunctive of upsow, to lift up (Koine verb from upsov, height), used several times in John of the Cross of Christ (3:14; 8:28; 12:32,34). It is unnecessary to render the aorist subjunctive as if a future perfect, simply "whenever ye lift up" (actually lift up, ingressive aorist). In Acts 2:33 the verb is used of the Ascension. otan: when, whenever, as long as, as soon as *** So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Jesus therefore said, "When, whenever, as long as, as soon as , ye have lifted up the Son of man ***Greek Lexicon - And I, if I be lifted from the earth (kagw an upswtw ek thv ghv). an: case, 1; everyone, 1; except, 1; if, 2; or, 1; though, 2; unless, 34; whatever, 22; when, 2; whenever, 2; wherever, 8; whether, 1; whoever, 17; whomever, 2; upswtw (upsow):That he may exalt you upsow:That he may exalt you (ina upswshi). Purpose clause with ina and first aorist active subjunctive of upsow*** So this translates in more than one way - It can be said: Whenever, wherever, however that you may exalt Him from the earth. God Bless you as always, -Kathy |
||||||
130 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103967 | ||
Searcher, I am not familiar with that term, but if you give me a reference I will look at it. But just from my heart I would say that every Thursday is a Good Thursday, for each one is a day that God has made, therefore let us be glad and rejoice it it. With His Love, -Kathy |
||||||
131 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103973 | ||
Dearest Tim, You are truly easy to love! And you make a great point here. That would be an awesome resource. Between you, Hank and Makarios, I have been really looking into greek translations. It is very complex yet enlightening. I enjoy your responses ... they do make one ponder the Word. I had hoped you'd respond to post ID# 103826 (Hint! Hint!) grin God's Blessing be upon you always, -Kathy |
||||||
132 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103975 | ||
Indeed we are! Hallelujah and Amen to that :) - Kathy |
||||||
133 | Would a gentle spirit work? | John 12:32 | khuck | 103977 | ||
My Pastor calls it self-righteousness when we beat the weak down with the word because we feel we are more saved and more knowledgeable. That we are viewed by them as above them in Christ by our behavior. Therefore we beat them down and do not lift them up. Therefore they feel that they are not worthy to be a member of our little "Christ Clique", that is reserved for just us righteous few. He calls it, "Just us four and NO MORE" syndrome. (Laughing) Noble you make an excellent point here. God Bless you, -Kathy |
||||||
134 | Do you recall the day of your Salvation | John 12:32 | khuck | 103979 | ||
Dearest Tim, Thank you for indulging me on this. My soul just cries out with joy when I hear about the day when one first believed. It is good to remember the day we first fell in Love with Him. Each of these testimonies have brought a song to my heart. This is yours: I don't feel no ways tired I have come to far from where I started from. Nobody told me. that the road would be easy, But I don't believe He brought me this far ... to just leave me! I pray God's continued Blessing for your ministry, your family and your Life in Christ, I am blessed because of your testimony -Kathy |
||||||
135 | THE MOST POWERFUL VERSE IN EVANGELISM | John 12:32 | khuck | 104005 | ||
Dear Noble, From all of my research it says that both meanings apply, and you are right he was degraded. but through that very degrading experience he was exalted. I too understand that you see the all of the word pertaining to this verse and I promise you I do too. Once again I agree that he not only foretells that he'd be lifted, but also how he would die. Yet using the greek translations that I came across, I see also another profound meaning. And maybe that is just me Noble. You know I mean no harm or insult, but I trust that I am not wrong on this, nor do I feel your undertanding is erroneous. So please my dearest friend, forgive me if I am choosing to walk a bit further down the path. I love you as always in Christ, -Kathy |
||||||
136 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 104028 | ||
Searcher, This post my seem harsh to you, but I must be frank and candid at this time. You give me few other choices. Your knowledge of the Bible is commendable on an academic level, but it is those who post with wisdom and Christian attributes that I respect most. So I'll pass; you go and question the Rabbi and garner more information on the letter of the word. I am sure that my Pastor is well versed in Jewish traditions and beliefs, if I have a need to know about Good Thursday. You have a lot of brash audacity where I am concerned. You label me anti-christ, you tell me that you are attempting to correct my thinking, and now you give me directives. Well my Dad is Paul Dunn. He has never used the name Searcher. You fail miserably at trying to prove to the Brothers and Sisters that I am on the wrong side of the cross, give it up cause you can never win. I can do all things through Christ Who strengthens me, and that includes tolerating your consistent put downs. You only do it because you are established on this forum by your longevity. You take great pride in perceiving yourself to be right in all things Biblical. I take pride in Christ and His abilty to save. Because you have a long history with this forum you have a following of those that will back you even when you are openly vicious, but not everyone is cowardly enough to call that which is wrong, right. About 6 or 7 post ago, I asked you with much love and patience for us to disagree agreeably and let peace be the acceptable truth of the day. I asked you to let there be peace between us. But you have persisted, all day. This shows me a lot about your character. Once I almost left this forum, just to avoid your incessant snubbings. You accuse me of being unhappy with your responses, it seems to me that you are the one who is unhappy with me, because I do not amen to everything that you post. And I am bold enough to post what I truly believe and you can not compell me to do otherwise. What scripture do you believe I should study? Is there going to be another deiviously mean spirited quiz? You ask me,"Kathy, What about Good Thursday?" As you are well aware most of us here are Christians, since we are not Jews we acknowledge Good Friday. Besides that you never acknowledged that my answer even though not the one you sought, was still indeed correct. Your question had nothing to do whatsoever with anything in the thread. Are you testing my knowledge? Are you hoping to beat me down before the brethren? You are not making me look bad at all. You are exposing something about yourself, with this constant thing you have with my posting here. Why do you harass me so much? Why do you always insinuate that I do not study scripture. Is it because there are I times when I reference commentary, articles and other resources such as translations. You know no truth about me and you desire not to, you are trying to prove your own unfounded assumptions. More often than not I reference the word of God. You may not like what I believe to be true and you may really believe me to be an anti-christ. I have put out the olive branch several times to you, and I have asked you more than a few times to let God's peace abide between us. Yet no matter what tactic you use I have the fortitude and courage to remain, until they kick me out. I hope whatever it is that you are looking for, be made clear. God is able to make you see what you refuse to see. Even I wish you no ill will and I know that God will bring all of this together for a good purpose on both our behalfs, because he loves us. Even a wretched sinner like me. -Kathy NOTE: Let me apologize to this forum for posting such a firm and candidly analytical response. Please have the benevolence and forbearance, to forgive me, I appeal to you sincerely. |
||||||
137 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 104058 | ||
Searcher, Even you use resources to assist you in your study of scripture. Even you seek greek translations to understand the meanings and context of what was said. And again for you to contend that because I use the same such resources from time to time means that I trust the resource and not the Word, only substantiates my contention that you do not know anything about me, you are not out to prove the word, you are out to prove someone to be wrong and YOU right. (how sad) Maybe you should go back and research your post to me specifically, on more than one occassion you have indeed deemed me against Christ and in subtle terms a false prophet. Which is a blatant abuse of your position, because if you say it, there are those who believe it. Your last sentence shows your intent: "There have been views I have changed, after a careful study of Scripture." Searcher I believe that prayer and the power of God's Spirit changes things. (we are just different and there is nothing wrong with that, let it be) I do not think that anyone studied the scripture in the thread any harder than I did. I searchered every version of scripture and also as you can see in my post the language context. And yes I did read commentary, and study notes. (that is pretty thorough) They served to bolster my own understanding and original belief. Even you said that I should consult an expert in Judiasm (a Rabbi). Truly God Gifted the experts, such as Matthew Henry, Coffman, Darby ...etc. And though I do not always see, their viewpoints, I respect and understand that God has given them a gift, Wisdom. Yet my modus operandi is to lean to God for understanding, not just in studying the Word, but in prayer... which to me is the pivital part of understanding. (having a little talk with God) I am not here to correct anyone's thinking, or to compel anyone to do as I say or do. That is the work of the Spirit. I can only state my belief and understanding. Some of my opinions have been expanded, and I have been enlightened and blessed with a higher understanding by the posts of many others on the forum, who are blessed with Wisdom and the gift of Teaching. You may feel that I have misused the scriptures on various occassions and that is truly your right. Yet I feel you misuse your seniority on this forum, by accusing me continuously of actions and intentions that are bold lies. And to what end, what purpose? You have not changed my views and that is not your job, one can only post his understanding of the scripture, and hopefully site comparable scriptures and the expert resources to show why they understand as they do. And if love and wisdom is imparted someone may be enlightened. If it is rejected, why have a hissy. To consistently try to compel someone to think as you'd like, is not the purpose of this forum. There is freedom in Christ, He never used the bully-pulpit. Now to Him that is able to keep us, let everything be to His glory. Peace to you, Kathy |
||||||
138 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 104074 | ||
The thing that is being missed is that when that song is being sung... the word lift means to exalt... and even the weakest of men can exalt the Name of the One Who has lifted him from the pits of hell. I love you Lord and I worship you Oh my soul rejoice, Take joy my King In every word your hear Let it be a sweet sweet sound to your ear! "I exalt thee" "I exalt thee" Take joy my King In every word your hear Let it be a sweet sweet sound to your ear! |
||||||
139 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 104087 | ||
No Searcher, I do not use sources, extra-Biblical sources without checking to see if what they say is Biblically sound? Such behavior would be wreckless and callous on my part. That is why I take such offense at such a notion. (I have no idea where you ever came to such an assumption) I usually start by pondering the question posed, then (if no scripture is used) I will first search the scripture, to see what the word says on the topic, and test it against my own beliefs. Sometimes the Word will prove my understanding to be totally erroneous, and other times, confirmed. If the query, is in opposition to my understanding, I will not only re-read,and reconsider the scripture, and those that are comparably linked and possibly referenced, I will oftentimes check the history to ascertain what may have been happening at that time concerning the verse. I will reference study material (including the expounders commentaries) to increase my understanding. If the poser of the question persistenly insist that my understanding is in fact flawed, that is when I research the linking scriptures further as well as pull out most of my resources, not so much to prove that I am in fact correct, but to be assured that I am really understanding what is being said. And more often than not, I pray for God's guidance in how to approach the subject at hand. I am not a traditionalist or a very religious person by most standards. Yet I do not discount some of the value in these modes of Christianity. I can only assure you that I love the word and the scriptures to me is a greatest story of Love. As I said before I have not come to discount your view, but only to add mine to the conversation. To you in His Love, -Kathy |
||||||
140 | Kathy, Is "Lifting His name" Biblical? | John 12:32 | khuck | 104089 | ||
Hiya Steve:) I don't believe you... you just have not gotten your second wind. (giggle) I was just trying to help! (snicker) Well I am going to read some "Huck" Finn! (I just love Hank, he has a wonderful way of making you glad to be a part of the "Family") Love and Blessing to you in Christ, -Kathy |
||||||
Result pages: << First < Prev [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ] Next > Last [9] >> |