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1 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102483 | ||
Greetings Arapga I agree with the above answers, that they are scriptually sound. But, I will say this... The principle of tithing still holds true. If you give it the blessing will be received. Yet I concede it is not required. I have made a habit of giving 10 percent of my increase and more, and I promise you, I can not keep up on the return. I give my tithe to the Church, to do my part in keeping the place functioning. Never the less the promise God gave has proven true in my experience. (...and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.) Tried it and loved it! -khuck |
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2 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102612 | ||
Not to be nitpicking (giggle) I found a bit more clarity on the subject. (An excerpt from John Myers on tithing.) Deuteronomy 14:22-29, especially verses 24-26, These verses explain the Old Testament principles of tithing, which lay the foundation for church offerings in the New Testament, which is, of course, our time as modern-day Christians. As Christians today we are living under New Testament grace, not under the Old Testament law. For instance, Old Testament law commands disobedient sons be taken outside the gates of the city and stoned to death by the people. That's probably a bit harsher than most Christians want to deal with their disobedient children, not to mention it would be highly illegal. But the principle behind that Old Testament law remains for these New Testament times: children should still be made to obey their parents. Allowing disobedience with no consequences is a sure way to raise up a child who will be big trouble to society as a whole, as well as being a heartache all the days of the lives of the parents. Tithing in the Old Testament was very simple. Give to the Lord one tenth of every thing you possess, from your crops, from your flocks, literally everything. Jesus notes in the New Testament that the religious Pharisees even tithed of tiny plants like mint and herbs. So the real principle behind tithing is putting God first in all things, not only in our possessions, but our conduct, especially in regard to how we treat others. If we say we love God and then cheat and rob our brothers, we're the same as the Pharisees -- hypocrites. While we may not observe the letter of the law of the Old Testament, the principles laid down there still apply in these New Testament times, like tithing and worship. The New Testament rules for tithing are also clear, as directed by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 9:7, "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." Nowhere in the New Testament are believers told to tithe. What you give to the Lord and His work is entirely between you and Him, and what He directs you to do in your heart. In my experience, I have always felt comfortable giving more than a tenth of my income. Basically Ed I think it's the principle of the thing. -khuck |
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3 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102649 | ||
Ed, Jesus was speaking directly to the Pharisees (TEACHERS OF THE LAW) and admonishing them for their hypocrisy, because they were not honest in their dealings, and they imposed these Laws unjustly on the people (Jews). He was speaking concerning the Law and the fact that the Pharisees obsereved only the parts of the Laws that benefitted themselves. You noted Matthew 23 with in it's context Jesus is definately speaking to points of Law and not Grace or the Church. 13 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of RELIGIOUS LAW and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you won't let others enter the Kingdom of Heaven, and you won't go in yourselves. 14 Some manuscripts add How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You shamelessly cheat widows out of their property, and then, to cover up the kind of people you really are, you make long prayers in public. Because of this, your punishment will be the greater. 15 Yes, how terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn him into twice the son of hell as you yourselves are. 23 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest part of your income, tithe the mint, the dill, and the cumin. but you ignore the important things of the law – justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but you should not leave undone the more important things. ("But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone," Luke 11:42. They pinched off leaves from a mint plant to tithe, but then cheated and robbed their fellow men, Jesus says of these hypocrites. So the real principle behind tithing is putting God first in all things, not only in our possessions, but our conduct, especially in regard to how we treat others. If we say we love God and then cheat and rob our brothers, we're the same as the Pharisees -- hypocrites.) 24 Blind guides! You strain your water so you won't accidentally swallow a gnat; then you swallow a camel! 25 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy – full of greed and self-indulgence! 26 Blind Pharisees! First wash the inside of the cup, and then the outside will become clean, too. 27 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs – beautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead people's bones and all sorts of impurity. 28 You try to look like upright people outwardly, but inside your hearts are filled with hypocrisy and lawlessness. 29 "How terrible it will be for you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed and decorate the graves of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. 30 Then you say, 'We never would have joined them in killing the prophets.' 31 "In saying that, you are accusing yourselves of being the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead. Finish what they started. 33 Snakes! Sons of vipers! How will you escape the judgment of hell? It really pays to put scripture in it's entire CONTEXT. Therefore Ed, I changed my mind, it is not the principle ... IT'S THE LAW. (Thank God that grace abounds) -khuck |
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4 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102757 | ||
EdB, (Good try) The reverse of what I wrote would be, "If we cheat and rob our brothers, how can we say we love God." You have taken all that I said out of context and removed the very point of the subject: Are Christians commanded to tithe or is tithing a Rabbinical Law? I used the scripture that you quoted in it's context to show that Jesus was in fact speaking to the teachers of the Law and the pharisees, regarding their unjust, stingy and dishonest conduct concerning that same law. The principle I stated was putting God first in all things. Therefore before, I write that check, I acknowledge it as a gift from Him to me and I seek His for guidance as to giving it. I never mentioned whether I was afraid to trust God with my funds or not. LOL. That's between Him and me as to how I have used what He has blessed me with and it is not a matter of Law. Paul in 2 Corinthians 9:7, "So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver." -khuck |
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5 | PROVE ME: God's challenge to tithers | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 102988 | ||
Hi EdB You Said "If you want to know financial freedom in your life, real freedom begin tithing if you haven't already and continue if you do, you will no longer be a slave to money." I AGREE WITH this so so MUCH. And it is the reason that I tithe. Because whether the command is for the Jews or the Church is not the issue, but for me God's promises hold true thoughout any dispensation. And I agree with you on this one thing: God's promise still remains. Malachi 3 10-12...Test me in this," says the LORD Almighty, "and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not cast their fruit," says the LORD Almighty. 12 "Then all the nations will call you blessed, for yours will be a delightful land," says the LORD Almighty. (God did not say that we rob Him in tithes alone, but he said tithes "AND OFFERING" the church has been commanded to give generously) -khuck |
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6 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103277 | ||
LOL so what are you and CDBJ doing going around tearing up My post LOL I am not against Christ! You just keep right on doing what you are doing... it is hilarious |
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7 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103278 | ||
I am not going to prove you wrong and I am not going to research to see it I am right or wrong on this one... Let's just call you right and move on LOL. Everyone please excuse my posts, and the mistaken notions within it... Searcher has again corrected my ingnorance and I apologize to him and all of you. -khuck |
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8 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103279 | ||
I meant what I said. and not what you think I meant | ||||||
9 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103413 | ||
Well I doubt that I will start a trend or a cult Searcher... and I doubt that I will be doing any further research on my response. I did research my answer AND for you to contend that I do not want to do the research or will not, is the ONLY danger I am seeing here. I have researched it as far as it is going to go on my part (I am not here to debate with you or any theology folks). I chose to express my thoughts and opinions on Christian issues and my love for jesus. So if you have further research to disprove my response, post it. Unless you are telling me that in order to participate here, I must do as you say. |
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10 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103414 | ||
The final piece was put into place... the promise of the Holy Spirit. He was born, He died, He rose again and then He sent the power. | ||||||
11 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103415 | ||
So do you contend that I am against Christ? And if you do... NOW THAT is funny! | ||||||
12 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103416 | ||
I hold to the fact that because the resurrection as well as the pentecost was on a sunday IS WHY WE AT MY CHURCH ATTEND ON THAT DAY. IF you think that is wrong that is your opinion and I ain't mad at ya. But that is what and why we do it.(Pentecost is the only festival for which no specific date is given in the Bible. Rather, the people were instructed to count seven weeks “...from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf [omer] of the wave offering (Lev. 23:15). Pentecost was CELEBRATED ON SUNDAY CHECK LEV. Go and worship in a church with others who are worshipping Christ that Sunday (if you don't have a church, pick one and go). If you regularly go to church, invite someone to go with you for Pentecost Sunday. The Spirit birthed the fellowship of Jesus' followers (the church) that first Pentecost, so to try to worship Christ by yourself is even more of a rejection of the Spirit on Pentecost than it usually is. -Robert Longman Jr. Compare these First Pentecost (The Commandments Given) Pentecost After Christ (The Holy Spirit Given) First Pentecost -Fifty days from the crossing of the Red Sea Pentecost After Christ -Fifty days from the resurrection of Christ First Pentecost -Law of Yahweh written in Stone Pentecost After Christ -Law of Yahweh written on our hearts First Pentecost -Three thousand slain Pentecost After Christ Three -thousand receive salvation First Pentecost -The letter of the Law Pentecost After Christ -The Spirit of the Law This is the end of my research for your sake... I am indeed a Christian and take no offense at your statement about the possibility of my responses making me or them against Christ. LOL and yes that is funny. These are the things that let me know I must be serving him. But I have not the time or inclination to debate you. As I said before... if you have otherwise... do as I do... post your reasons. But please get off my back... unlike many here I am not looking for a war of words, nor am I here to prove that I am the smartest LOL. I readily admit that I am not the sharpest pencil in the can. BUT I KNOW THAT I LOVE THE LORD WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS IN ME. And all of the research and learned knowledge in the world will never EVER change that. I only seek that He be glorified, I seek no glory. His grace is sufficient for me, khuck |
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13 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103423 | ||
YOU ARE ONE WHO ACCUSES THE Brethren FALSELY... SO WHAT ARE YOU... THE ANTI_CHRIST and you the ADVERSARY or FATHER OF LIARS? I doubt it. I doubt it very much. I will give you what you want... and that is get my butt off of your forum. I bid you farewell. God's peace upon all of you here who will continue to worship Christ in Spirit and Truth. |
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14 | Do you seek God before you post? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103637 | ||
ooops sorry Searcher here is the verse for my question... (I guess that is what you have found WRONG with my post this time) Proverbs 3 5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; 6 in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. [1] 7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun evil. ...and BTW why did you post these rules? I am well aware of them and I heed them in my post. I am interested in answers to my original post, but thank you all the same for your attempt. Q. Dearest Readers, How many posters answering questions on this forum acknowledge God (not the resource that we all research) But actually go to Him to seek His wisdom and to ask for Christlike attributes in the answers that you post. -khuck |
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15 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103642 | ||
Examine yourself Searcher, when you call me an anti-christ because I refuse to interpret something as you do. I confess Christ as my Lord and Savior, I preach Christ to inner city teens and young adults as a Youth Minister at Ambassadors for Christ Christian Church, and I am also a founding member and the web designer for Northbound Community Church in Thousand Oaks, CA (see our beliefs and mission at northboundcc.org) In light of these facts if you will say that I am against Christ or anti Christ... then in light of the following verse are you also against Him? Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us Mark 9:38 "Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us." "Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us. I tell you the truth, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to Christ will certainly not lose his reward. -khuck |
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16 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103644 | ||
Wow Noble... You have cleared up so much in your post. With the demand put upon me to submit to the 2 posters.. I was under the impression that they were the Moderators and in fact possibly owners of this forum. Sincerely believing this to be true, I figured it would be best to leave the forum without further offending them or other brothers and sisters in Christ. I do not want to come off as if I am compelling anyone to do or say as I do, or to believe as I do. But mostly I do not like to see strife between all of us who share in the Gift of God! Please forgive my misconception as to how this site was run. your friend and sister in Christ, Kathy |
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17 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103647 | ||
I am so very sorry Ed, It is hilarious to me when I am labelled to be against Christ. And I sincerely apologize to anyone who is offended by my assertion. There was no LOL in my original posts (re: Stigmata or Sabbath), I answered the questions and posted commentary, history and articles backing why "I believe as I do", along with my personal beliefs. One of the respondents chose to call me anti christ, and in the stigmata post... neither have bothered to tell me where my post was incorrect, or refute my personal belief. Nor have they conceded that they misread my response, regarding stigmata. Therefore no disrespect to you a loving brother in the Lord, but I personally found it to be ironic and hilarious. If this offended you... I ask again that you will please forgive me and in the future, I will keep my humor to myself. It is NOT my intention to be offensive, and arguementative. God's Peace be upon us -Kathy |
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18 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103651 | ||
Makarios, With Christ's Love to you, My Dear brother you are preaching to the choir here. I agree that to argue this is a moot point. Your post therefore may be better served to my critics. I answered a question responding, as to why "I" worship on Sundays, and I was labelled to be against Christ. I say worship Him at all times! May we walk in His Peace, -Kathy |
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19 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103663 | ||
:) I am glad to be here. Thank you! Kathy |
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20 | Are we supposed to observe the Sabbath? | Bible general Archive 2 | khuck | 103664 | ||
Agreed! | ||||||
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