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1 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 167598 | ||
Okay atdcross, I’ll play along I guess. Answer either of my original questions which were, and I’ll repost: “I disagree with your second comment. Repentance unto life is derived from the Holy Spirit who is convicting us of our sin. It is a divine grace given upon regeneration. How does He do that to an unbeliever? Or are you suggesting that there is repentance unto life before regeneration?” Or answer either of the questions you “think” I’m asking. Maybe that will suffice. You stated: “there is no difference between what is required from believer or unbeliever with respect to the act of repentance.” I’m simply asking you to clarify that statement for me. Maybe tell me what in your estimation is “required” because as I see it, repentance requires faith. So how can an “unbeliever” truly repent. Repentance unto life would come after regeneration and at that point, belief is implied. I’m afraid if I attempt to simplify the questions for you, they will only get more difficult to understand, although I have to admit, they seemed pretty simple and straightforward until you read into them something that was not there. WOS |
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2 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 167633 | ||
WOS, In the first place, what gives you the notion that I am "playing"? You asked, "Or are you suggesting that there is repentance unto life before regeneration?" Your question is confusing because regeneration is the act of God imparting new life. Therefore, you are asking if "repentance unto life" (i.e. the repentance that leads to new life) is before new life (regeneration). My question is, how can repentance be "unto life" if the life is already imparted before repentance is acted upon? Should it not rather be phrased, "regeneration unto repentance"? In the second place, my point is what repentance is - how it is Biblically defined - which is not different in activity between the believer and the unbeliever. That is, repentance is turning in obedience to God. There need be no denial that sorrow and a change of mind is involved but the change from disobedience to obedience is necessary in order for repentance to be genuine. Example. An unbeliever is in disobedience to God. What God requires of him is that he cease from sinning and turn to Him in faith or, if you'd rather, he turn to God in faith and cease from sinning. A believer may be involved in sin. What does God require of Him. God requires the believer to also to cease from sinning and turn to Him in faith or, if you'd rather, he turn to God in faith and cease from sinning. That the former act of repentance may lead to salvation and the latter to restored fellowship is immaterial with respect to how the word "repentance" is understood. In the third place, I am not discussing how repentance works upon or in the believer or unbeliever, whether or not God plays a part in it, or its relation with, if any, regeneration; I am only stating what it is (as far as I understand it in the Bible). In the fourth place, I do not think "repentance requires faith" for there are those who may be truely repentant for their wrongdoing, nevertheless, do not turn to Christ in faith for their salvation. In extreme cases, you may meet a recovering alcoholic or a drug addict who quit their respective addictive behavior for one reason or another and are leading productive, as far as worldly values are concerned, lives. However, faith (if it is to be genuine and result in God's salvation) necessarily requires repentance. |
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3 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | Hank | 167642 | ||
Hey, atdcross and other participants on this thread, I just had an idea -- my first in three days! Why don't you all retreat to the comfort and safety of your cozy dens, pick up a copy of your personal dictionary and look up the word "repent." I suggest it as a remedy to cure the confusion about the meaning of the word that this interminable thread is plainly causing. And once you have looked up the meaning and have it stored away in your little gray cells, hold on to it for dear life, and for goodness sake don't take the risk of losing it by returning to this thread! ..... Caveat: Should this unfruitful thread continue, it faces the nearly certain prospect of becoming overloaded and self-destructing before your very eyes! --Hank | ||||||
4 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 167644 | ||
You’re absolutely right as it was unfruitful at best and I offer my apologies to the Forum for running this one into the ground. WOS |
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