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1 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 167069 | ||
Repentance involves not only the acknowledgement that we are sinners, but a complete reversal of lifestyle from disobedience to God to obedience. To "believe with your heart" is to repent; obedience to God is the "bringing of fruit worthy of repentance." Confessing with one's mouth without this repentance has no saving value (as also repentance without the public confession has none either). |
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2 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 167159 | ||
atdcross, What is it that causes one to make the reversal you mention? You make it sound as if we do this on our own. Your definition of repentance completely leaves out God's grace and mercy. Where in your definition is Godly sorrow? 2 Corinthians 7:9-11 9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing. 10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, what clearing of yourselves, yea, what indignation, yea, what fear, yea, what vehement desire, yea, what zeal, yea, what revenge! In all things ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter. “Humiliation and godly sorrow are previously necessary in order to repentance, and both of them are from God, the giver of all grace.” – Matthew Henry WOS |
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3 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 167305 | ||
Hi WOS. I was only briefly describing what repentence is, not how it works. "Grace and mercy" I do not think define repentence but that is not to say it is found without God's activity. |
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4 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | Wild Olive Shoot | 167377 | ||
I apologize then atdcross, because in your brevity, it seemed to me that you misrepresented God’s Word and what repentance truly is, although I’m sure that wasn’t your intent. Your post basically stated that after acknowledgment, obedience “is” repentance and that my friend, simply isn’t true. It is most assuredly part of it, but not “it”. I’m sure you are well aware of false repentance in which we have worldly sorrow that is merely a regret for the consequences of sin. 2 Corinthians 7:10 For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation; but the sorrow of the world produces death. As well I’m sure you are aware of Godly sorrow which leads to repentance unto life in which we understand that sin is wrong and not just because of the unfavorable results it may produce, but because we truly, in honoring God, want to be free of sin and its bondage. Romans 7:24 Wretched man that I am! Who will set me free from the body of this death? Verse 25 answers this. Concerning true repentance, we understand the repulsiveness of sin as an offense against God, and the wonders of grace, which show the mercy of redemption through Christ and then endeavor after obedience. When one repents unto life there is an intellectual change, an emotional change and as well a volitional change. If obedience is repentance then there is no need for repentance once we do repent because we are obedient and you and I both know that is not the case. Repentance is to be present both in the sinner as he is brought to Christ, and in the believer confronted with his continuing sins. It is not necessarily a one time event and then we become obedient in full. WOS |
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5 | Are these essentials for Salvation? | Bible general Archive 3 | atdcross | 167381 | ||
It seems what you suggest falls short of true repentance, at least, as I read it from the Bible (see verses #167082). Genuine repentance requires obedience for it to be real. Godly repentance assumes the obedience has been rendered. True repentance does involve emotional and volitional changes as you suggested. That voltional change is deciding to cease being disobedient to God and being obedient; without "fruits of repentance" there is no genuine repentance. No one suggested it is a one time event and because one may continually fall into a specific sin, that in itself does nto mean there is no repentance. I don't understand your comment, "If obedience is repentance then there is no need for repentance once we do repent because we are obedient and you and I both know that is not the case". Repentance assumes disobedience. And, as I stated, maybe repentance is not obedience but it's genuiness of repentance is demonstarted through obedience. As I stated earlier, To "believe with your heart" is to repent; obedience to God is the "bringing of fruit worthy of repentance". |
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