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1 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | justme | 189845 | ||
Rick: Have you ever personally read any of Hanegraaff's books? I do not agree with everything he says, but I have not codemmed his writing as less valuable than "toilet paper" for which I think is the ultimate slure one could make. In amy of the Bibles or Greek I have studied no where have I found that one must believe in Dispensationalisn. I would call Hagee's qualification for salvation as a lie from the pit. Can you please explain to me how he comes to this conclusion? I know for a fact that salvation is not dependant on beliefe in despensationalism, by the Bibles I read anyway. I know that Hanegraaff has confronted those he feels were or have been in error. Benny Hinn actually repented on the air, but he went back to the errors again. I welcomed your response to my question, but I did ask for anyone who had read the book. Or maybe I was not clear on that I am not sure. While stating an opinion I try to quote from some knowledgable source, there by having some backup for my opinion. I attempted to point out that to destroy a mans work especially degrading it the value of less than worth cleaning up human waste. Rick if anyone said that about the book you are soon to publish, I would say the very samething to them as well. Too often Christians shoot their wounded, and protect those who are false teachers. Perhaps my understanding of some of these false teachers might help. Jesus said those who are not against me are for me. (that's my words) These teachers that Hank Hanegraaff mentions may well be saved, but have a serious flaw, and are misleading some very trustion souls who have not learned to read the Word for themselves. The Holy father knows that, and our duty is to attempt to correct thes flawed teachers. If these flawed teachers refuse to repent then they will face the Father and He will take care of it. I would have no objectio to you making spechic statements about Hanegraaff if you gave me a specfic case in point, not a general statement. I see using illistrations to discribe your opinion as a word picture. The word picture you used about the toilet paper is so crude and I think you have a better vocabulary that you could have made a better word picture than that. Am I wrong? How do we as Christians deal with John 13:34 and 35. Is this not a a core theology or doctrine for us as believers? I used two pages of space to awaken your heart without showing disrespect, and brotherly love. I maybe long winded, but I only can think of a very few notes I've posted that I have cared enough about someone to make such a huge effort. I honestly believe you are a brother who is worth the exortation and time it took to write you. I am not a dispensationalist. I have studied this theory, and I feel it is worthy to dialogue about, but not to draw such conclusions that if one see's the end of times different that one is not saved. That a false theology. If someone would critise say Honk on the forum unfairly I would defend him. Just to mention there have been times that that very thing did happem Others have also defended others on the forum to help resolve a misunderstanding. So please see that I defend at times when there is less than proof positive about a statement. The Bible school and the Seminary I went to have both drifted into liberalism, and I cannot defend their directions. I am open to correction myself, and I have been corrected on this forum as well. Criticism is accepted by me and I have grown thanks to those who took the time to care enough to bring it to my attention. I wish you would at least read the APOCALYPSE CODE. I think you would be amazed at what Hanegraaff has to say. I believe this book to be a work that will be used for many years into the furture. Blessings to you Rick. I hope this helps you see I care enough to spend the time to write you. justme |
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2 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | InGodITrust | 189878 | ||
Greetings justme, I must say you certainly are "tenasious" I mean that in a good sense. Bless you my brother, you are a man who sticks by what he believes. I deeply respect you for that. No I have not read any of Hank's stuff. Please understand that a person who finds it necessary to "bring down" ALL those (emphasis "all") who they determine wrong "PUBLICALLY" deserve no slack nor do they deserve whatever else their opinion is. The Golden Rule,"love your neighbor" (brother is included) as yourself requires an extremely humble and "bear all, endures all,forgives all" attitude. No matter what else Hank Hanegraaf does or says he is not worth listening to. Anyone, no matter all else, who does not have the maturity, discernment, wisdom to know how he is to conduct himself, especially in a public forum where many non-believer's may also see what has been said or written deserve's no such consideration. When it comes to down right heretics I have no problem with going public. But, this is to be done within the "public church at large" and not openly as Hank has done. Had Hank done so over the internet, a Christian one, or even Christian T.V. (not really secluded any longer) I would not have a problem. To put Joyce Meyer in the league with Copeland, Dr. K.C.Price, Joel Osteen, and on and on just shows to me that "it's open season on all Hank (or anyone like him) disagrees with." "WHY DO YOU THINK THE WORLD LAUGHS AT US AS WE CAN'T AGREE OR GET ALONG WITH EACH OTHER? WHY SOULD I BECOME A CHRISTIAN WHEN WE ARE SHOOTING EACH OTHER AND MANY TIMES 'IN THE BACK?' Plese forgive me I know capitolization is "shouting" but dog on it anyway how can you or anyone else defend the likes of Hank Hanegraaf? It does not matter what else "good things or good writings he has." He is violating the most sacred principals of agape-love and humility but "lumping everyone in the same category." I absolutely abhore false teachers and false doctrine. I am not Pentecostal per say. I love my Pentecostal brethren and think they do have allot of "twisting the Scriptures to back up their position." But, do the Southern Baptists agree with Methodists? Do the truly born again Catholics agree with the Protestants? Let's stop attacking each other (other than the down right false heretics which fit Matthew 7;16-24; "I NEVER KNEW YOU...." and take the position of Acts 5:37-41; "LEST WE FIGHT AGAINST GOD.' Jesus said, "Those who follow and know Me, another they will not follow or listen to. My sheep know My voice......" John 10:27 Also, I am assuming by your profile that you are Calvanistic or somewhat, so allow God to take care of the real heretics and guide the misguided (if you really think Joyce Meyer is amoung them) and let God be God. Anyone who does not pray, study their Bible, and falls for "EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE" in a sense, to God grant us His grace, deserves exactly what they are getting; a bunch of mixed up junk because they take their salvation too losely. My friend John 13:34-35 within the church also requires us to exercise "tough love." Anyone who continually attacks other Christians on a wholesale level should be sensored and ignored by the body of Christ. Matthew 18 has been taken out of context by the vast majority of Christians. Matthew 18 is address false teachings or seriously misleading teachings that would have an impact on immature younger Believers. To get the context one must start in Matthew 17. I never intended our discussion to be so controversial nor public. You are correct brother, I agree, you never did ask for an opinion. But, on the other hand "all I did was state an opinion" in one brief short sentence of which (I humbly bring to your attention)you turned into a monumental discussion covering three days and who knows how many people have been affected. Again, I do admire you; your profile and responses to my posts have been most gracious and thoughtful. But, please understand brother, it is you that turned this whole thing into a monster and drew it out time after time when I would have been satisfied with making one short and simple statement "I would not use Hanks's opinions or thoughts for toilet paperl" Is that unkind, unthoughtful, ungracious, absolutely. Am I violating agape love perhaps, but I am upset and believe Hank Hanegraaf has done much harm and damage to God's over all true Kingdom. The Golden Rule, "love your neighbor as yourself."...........Do not judge least you too be judged. For by your standard of measure it will be measured unto you." Both of these in Matthew 7............ Again, I do respect and appreciate you my friend, all I did was make one brief statement of which, at this time, I will not withdraw as it was and is "an opinion." Personally I know many folks who feel the same way and think Hank Hanegraaf is not worth the matches to burn up whatever he says. Blessings, InGodITrust |
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3 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | justme | 189883 | ||
Rick: Romans 14:22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the man who dese not condemn himself by what he approves." NIV. In 1987 one of the people of the town I pastored in had sent nearly twenty thousand dollars to Oral Roberts for his hospital. Less than a year after sending this money the woman had to have a kidney removed. She was told if she ever needed medical care the hospital would be there for them. The truth is the hospital would not even let her come for a reduced rate! She went to a county health department, got assistance from the state and welfare paid for ther surgery. The Orak Roberts hospital used so many peoples money for what? The lifestyle of Joyce Meyer is not one that many of her followers have. All the names I mentioned before all live very wealthy lives. I find that inconsistant with Scripture in the way these people live and use their followers to supply them with such outlandish materialistic things. These false theachers / preachers, are a bottomless money pit, that have no idea what to be content means, or to live as the average follower lives. The Golden Rule is not applical for those who have privale jets, gold fixtures in their bathrooms, or airconditioning in the dogs house. Rick have you read any of Joyce meyers books? An interesting fact is that rat poison is ninty five percent good food, but deadly! I believe I have ridden this Missouri mule about as far I can. We are the fork in the road, which direction you take is up to you. Blessings. justme |
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4 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | InGodITrust | 189885 | ||
justme, Yes brother, this mule has been rode too far. You have yet to answer up to your support for Hank Hanegraaf in spite of all that has been said. Obviously you know very little about the Golden Rule and I quote your very own words: The Golden Rule is not applical for those who have privale jets, gold fixtures in their bathrooms, or airconditioning in the dogs house. Rick have you read any of Joyce meyers books? An interesting fact is that rat poison is ninty five percent good food, but deadly! I believe I have ridden this Missouri mule about as far I can. We are the fork in the road, which direction you take is up to you. Blessings. Now you have blasted me for criticising Hank Hanegraaf while you have no problem criticising Joyce Meyer! Again I say to you, "Don't you see the irony?" I believe, justme, you are indeed a hypocrite. It's too bad you are so ignorant, I would suggest you do a study on the subject. As a church leader I have found just such an attitude and ignorance of agape love and the Golden Rule for the past 15 years as I have studied it out. To say that the Goldent Rule does not apply to Joyce Meyer, or anyone else, shows how far off the mark and (it would seem) willfully ignorant of the subject. It seems obvious to me, as well as perhaps everyone else who has read our posts that you are in dire need to a good study on 1 Corinthians 13. And may I suggest that you do so in the Greek as the English leaves much to be desired. Like so many I have encountered on the Forum you put up a good argument and completely ignore the questions, repeatedly, that I have asked you and addressed to you. It's Christians like you and Hank Hanegraaf that cause so much division in the world. I'm sorry that you have repeatedly taken the position you have and lack Biblical insight into the very thing Jesus Christ has left us to do. "Love your neighbor as yourself;" Judge not that you be not judged; "Let all you do be done in love." 1 Cor 16:14 "Do not cast your pearl before swine." (as Hank has done) "And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I deliver my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing. Love is patient, love is KIND, and is not jealous; LOVE DOES NOT BRAG AND IS NOT ARROGANT." (re:Hank Hanegraaf) "Do nothing from selfishness or :EMPTY CONCEIT,but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another AS MORE IMPORTANT THAN HIMSELF." (re: Hank Hanegraaf) Lest I wear myself out, I will say no more. InGodITrust |
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5 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | justme | 189903 | ||
In God Trust: I indeed, am not only a hypocrite, but I am a sinner. I do not deserve the Grace, Mercy, Forgiveness, and Salvation that The Lord Jesus has given us all who have been born again. For by grace I have been saved, and I it has been on no merrit of my own. I openly admit I am in dire need of studing the Word more. May I never stop needing the Word of God like I do my daily food that I eat. In all honesty I look up the Greek less often than I should. I can not speak for others on the Study Bible Forum, but I have rarely had any on my questions be completely ignored, nor have I noticed situation is the five years I ahve been blessed to be a part of this forum. Perhaps, you need to once again read all the posts I made and Kalos, I answered your questions. Perhaps the answere were not what you wanted. I most assuredly do not have the same level of knowledge of Scripture as some in this forum, but I do believe my Biblical insight is good. In the LIFE APPLICATION BIBLE, under Matthew 7:1 the note says "....It is not a blanket statement against all critical thinking, but a call to be discerning rather than negative. Jesus said toexpose false thechers (Matthew 7:15to 23),...." I encourage you to actually read some of Hank Hanegraaff's books, then lets talk about the value of his material and research. The judgement you have placed on Hanegraaff, me, and some in this forum is remarkable in the lack of Christian qualities. However,the very things you have pointed out as errors in others, are the very same issues you have shown to me and others. I doubt that someone attempting to elevate the likes of Joyce meyers, and other Word of Faith false teachers / preachers would go unchallenged in the Bible Study Forum. That is NOT saying that I am speaking for anyone else than myself. Having dealt with many who have had a loved one pass on, the grief we experience comes out in one way or another. Perhaps, this is why there seems to be such a combative attitude in some of your notes. Please know I am still a brother who does have great sympathy, and brotherly love for you and your family. Blessings. justme |
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6 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | InGodITrust | 189905 | ||
justme, You simply amaze me,you continue to ignore the obvious, made no reference to scriptures I have quoted, continue to blame me for your lack of understanding, and continue to try to get me to read your precious Hank Hanegraaf while you yourself continue to take pot shots at me. I am extremely conservative, do not (as I have told you and told you) support the heretics nor the likes of Copeland, Dr. J.C. Fredrick Price, Rod Parsley, and so on which you continue to ignore. You are indeed trying to justify your pathetic attitude and self righteous positon. God help you and to imagine you pastor a church!!! You pat me on the back for losing my wife, tell me "I must be under stress and out of control," while all along you are a phoney and a back stabber. Please do me and the entire Forum a favor and do not respond to me any longer as I will do the same. InGodITrust |
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7 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | InGodITrust | 189906 | ||
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