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1 | Where are these words coming from? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 125951 | ||
Hi Stultis the Fool, Your point about 1 John 3:6 not having the word habitually in it was well taken. I thought that the point that someone made about the tense of abiding in Him was well taken also. I wonder about the tense of 1 John 3:6b and consider who, as far as Persons are concerned, the verse is speaking. Personally, I think again of John 10:30 for this verse for comparing/contrast. John 10:30 says, "I and the Father are one." If we know that truth, then we have seen Him, and have known the Father. Then we practice righteousness because God is righteous and holy. If we are born of the Spirit then we are children of God and we practice righteousness and we love our brother. I believe that is the point that "Got it" has made and that this 1 John passage is about. In comparing 1 John 3:6 and John 10:30 I can praise God that "no one who abides in *Him sins" and "no one is able to snatch them out of the *Father's hand". My further question would be how we look at 1 John 3:24. "And the one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And we know by this that He abides in us, by the (s)Spirit whom [which] He has given us." Are we open to the idea of a spirit of love which is given to us? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Where are these words coming from? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 125959 | ||
You are quite accurate in your perception. In 1 John 3:6, the "Persons" concerned are those abiding in God. "If we are born of the Spirit then we are children of God and we practice righteousness and we love our brother. I believe that is the point that "Got it" has made and that this 1 John passage is about." This is absolutely correct. Continue reading, particularly verse 4:7 through 4:17. You will see that God is Love, and thus, if the Spirit abides in us, the Spirit of Love abides in us. If we love, then we abide in God, and God abides in us, and his love is perfected in us [4:17]. If we abide in God, we are not sinning. Thus, those who love do not sin, but those who do not love are wicked. Just as it was the love of God that brought Christ to us [John 3:16], it is that same love that brings us to him [1John 4:12-13]. |
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3 | Where are these words coming from? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 125998 | ||
Hi Stultis, We need a clarification of how we're looking at 1 John 3:6. I was looking more at the Persons of our triune God for 6b and considered that if one abides in Jesus, then he has seen Jesus and he knows the Father. We are merely persons and sons, children of God. So I would not capitalize Persons when speaking of us. 1) As one interested in capitalization of Deity, I would offer to you the idea that the "spirit of love" abides in us rather than the Spirit of Love. I would go with an interpretation that we have received a spirit [sic] of adoption for instance. 2) I would suggest that God is Light and that He is the Light of the world, just as we are to be lights in the world. However, I would not say that God is Love. Somewhere in the forum archives are discussions of what "God is" and I find it important to talk about. "Christ in you, the hope of glory" would show that Deity indeed abides in us as believers, but we also have received a spirit of love that witnesses with the Spirit. I don't have my Bible with me this morning so I can't give you those two Scripture references. 3) I would say that for 1 John 4:13 that it is that same love and that spirit of love that brings us to Him. It is good to speak of these things with you this morning. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | Where are these words coming from? | Bible general Archive 2 | Theo-Minor | 126019 | ||
Hey Ray, You had asked me similar questions, and now Stultis ... I took the time to do some looking, as I didn't want to give you a hasty answer. In both the cases here in this letter, and also in the questions you asked me, the words are the same words. If you have an interlinear, take a look at them. The same greek words are being used. Light/light Love/love. God is "love" is God is "agape" Capitalization of Deity is, in my opinion, a knit-picky topic. The autograph manuscripts were written completely in upper case letters. None of the apostles made a distinction. Capitalize what you please, and don't capitalize what you don't please. God is light, and so are we. We have become partakers of the divine nature. God is Love. It is in Love that we dwell, and it is Love that dwells in us. We walk in the Spirit according to the Spirit that gives us power. Does that help any? Get an interlinear Greek/English and a few good Greek lexicons. I believe you'll find a lot of these answers yourself with the right resources. All my love, Theo-Minor |
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5 | Where are these words coming from? | Bible general Archive 2 | Ray | 126521 | ||
Hi Theo-Minor, I believe that agape is a kind of love. It is a love that wills good to a person. Agape is to my mind, loving, goodwill. We might compare 1 John 4:12 with Luke 2:14. 1 John 3:12b, "...if we love one another, (God) abides in us, and His love is perfected in us." Luke 2:14, "Glory to (God) in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased." [NKJ, "And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!] I don't see the "He is pleased" in the Greek. What I see is the goodwill, the thing that has happened in Bethlehem and which the Lord has made known to us. So I would say yet that God is love. He is loving with agape love. And He has made His love known to us. From the heart, Ray |
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