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1 | Jesus know all things why marvelled? | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 62979 | ||
Hello, Johnny. In my post ID #61821 I attempted to answer your original question on this topic, but you are apparently not satisfied with it or the other answers you received before. In post #61821 I suggested kenosis, a reference to the "emptying" of the Son in the Incarnation (See Phil.2:7). This kenosis refers to Jesus' temporary and voluntary giving up of certain divine attributes while He was on the earth..... You have a question regarding Matt.24:36. and ask about the omniscience of Christ. That Christ, in His humiliation (incarnation), was not aware of the time of his second coming is not a denial of His deity, but an evidence of His functional subordination and temporary surrender of certain attributes while living a life of faith and dependence upon the Father. This is what is meant by kenosis. But this kenosis ended with the Risen Christ who now sits on the right hand of God in heaven. Johnny, I do hope this expansion of my former post serves to shed some light on your questions and concerns. I have no further information to offer and no other exegesis of these passages of Scripture. --Hank | ||||||
2 | Jesus know all things why marvelled? | NT general Archive 1 | Ray | 63015 | ||
Hi Hank, I sense that we are in disagreement in this discussion. I hope that we can be united in spirit as the Philippians 2 passage that you reference would have us intent on one purpose. The passage in John 21 does indeed deal with escatology even though you do not seem to agree with my application in the post of mine to "Johnny". Also, you write "But this kenosis ended with the Risen Christ who now sits on the right hand of God in heaven." Johnny sees this Risen Christ as being in human form. Indeed, John 21:12 says that the disciples knew that it was the Lord who was talking to them. This was the same Man of whom it was said in verse 17, "You know all things". However, this Man, this Risen Lord was able to walk through doors, yet able to eat breakfast with them. He was able to talk to men that He had fellowshiped with for years and be unrecognized until breaking bread with them on the road. This Man was made manifest, or made Himself visible to the disciples after He was raised from the dead. Verse 14. So Jesus asked Peter do you love Me more than the physical things of the world? Do you love Me more than your friends, more than your livelihood as as fisherman, more than bread on the table? I think that Peter then says to the Spirit, "Yes Lord; (You) know that I love You." In other words, I believe that he is expressing his love for God. In verse 16 Jesus said a second time do you love Me with "agape" love? And Peter continues to express his "brotherly" love for Jesus. In verse 17, Peter is grieved that Jesus asked him in the third and last time, "Do you "phileo" God?" And he continued by saying that Jesus knew all things and that He knew his brotherly love for Him as a Man. Peter would go on and glorify God because he followed Him. I believe that the Spirit will come again and we will see Him as He is. But I would say to Johnny that Jesus existed in the form of God and did not think it robbery to be equal with God. He came in the likeness of men but was a Man. He was found in appearance as a Man, Philippians 2:8 and He appeared to Peter as a Man who says "Follow Me". John 21:19. Contrast and compare John 1:43 also. My interpretation of Philippians may be different from yours and perhaps we should talk about it? I admit to not having studied "kenosis". From the heart, Ray |
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3 | Jesus know all things why marvelled? | NT general Archive 1 | Hank | 63019 | ||
Ray, I thank God for you! You have responded rightly and correctly. The blunder was mine, all mine, I assure you! In the John 21 passage it was indeed the Risen Christ who addressed Peter. Both my posts were entered late at night and the only explanation I have is that I must have been half asleep. I don't claim to know all there is to know about Scripture, that's for sure, but I do know better than what this time-frame blunder in this post of mine reflects! I know better than THAT! Thank you sincerely for pointing out the error of my ways, Ray. It is one of the most attractive features of this forum that it is constructed to accomodate feed-back and correction of one another's errors, which should not offend the author of the error if it is given in the proper spirit, and yours is a fine example of proper spirit, I assure you. Blessings to you. --Hank | ||||||