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1 | When did Yeshua know he was Messiah? | NT general Archive 1 | Simchat Torah | 53247 | ||
Shalom Hank; Of course I was holding something back :-). While your explanation of the passage is very good it is missing the key ingredient. The term "my father" is a messianic claim in itself. Too often we read a passage and explain it the best way we can, but without the proper context and resources, the actual meaning can never be found. Jews very rarely call God "my father" and when they do it is significant. The Jews will always use the term "our father" such as what Yeshua taught in the "Lord's prayer" - our father who is in heaven. The Jewish Sidur (prayer book) also uses the term "our father" extensively even to this very day. Long before the birth of Yeshua the Rabbis/Pharisees went through the entire Tenach/Old Testament looking for passages that are talking about the coming Messiah. The Rabbis took 2 Samuel 7:14, Psalms 2:7 and Psalms 89:26 and formulated the belief that when the messiah comes he will call God "my father" and God will call him "my son". Throughout the New Testament we see God calling Yeshua "my son" such as in Mat 3:17 and 17:5 and Yeshua calls God "my father" such as in Mat 17:5 and 10:32. Yeshua and his disciples were all Jews who were very familiar with Jewish customs, traditions and lifestyles. By understanding their culture, the New Testament can be opened up in new and exciting ways. When someone says that we only need the Bible to interpret itself, the richness and spirit of the writings are lost. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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2 | When did Yeshua know he was Messiah? | NT general Archive 1 | EdB | 53280 | ||
Shalom I think anyone that would miss the "my Father" in Jesus' statement would be died to scripture and who Jesus was. I certainly didn't need an outside source to tell me Jesus was proclaiming who He was when I read this passage 45 years ago. Again I'm sorry I painted such a general picture with such a broad brush when I said, “we don't need any outside sources to understand the Bible.” What I meant were the truths of the Bible are not hidden, they are available for any that would diligently search. Many people and groups of people have claimed “special” understanding of the scriptures from time to time and I say that is nonsense. God wrote the truths that the Bible contains for all people for all times. Now if you want to get down to understanding a local custom of time, or use of a an object of the time of course you most probably do need an outside reference. Also as Hank so graciously has said much of the beauty of the language itself is lost unless the culture and times are understood. And Again I concede that is true. Here in America throughout history have used the word “cool” to mean many things without an understanding of culture of the time the usage of the word cool would be heavily masked. Understanding the meaning of the Greek or Hebrew words and force and definitions they carry are necessary to understand the full impact of the passage. In the verse John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. The Greek word for believe “pisteuo “ carries a much more meaningful and richer maning than our word believe. In our word believe I can believe something but never place any real dependence on that belief. I can believe a rope will hold me but until I hang from that rope I don’t really believe. In the Greek “pisteuo” means to believe to the extent of being dependent on that belief. This is much stronger than just believing it means living your life dependent on that belief. However that all said I will continue to protest all comments that are made in this forum that attempts to change a Biblical truths meaning by saying oh that is a cultural thing, or that was a custom of the time and not for us today. Have a Jesus filled Day EdB |
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