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1 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35310 | ||
I have heard it said that the difference between tribulation and the wrath of God is: Tribulation is Satan's wrath The wrath of God is God's anger which will come upon the ungodly. Anyone care to comment? Here is a few verses with the words "tribulation" and "wrath" Mt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Rev. 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 1Thess. 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. 1Thess. 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Rev. 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev. 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth. In Christ zach_† |
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2 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | Mommapbs | 35316 | ||
Greetings! You have made an interesting observation. Jesus said, "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world." John 16:33 We are in the world and are indeed suffering tribulation. The reason? Tribulation is the result of the presence of sin. The earth is the domain of Satan; he is the "prince of this world." And tribulation or trouble is the reigning characteristic of this ruler! We must be careful not to associate the tribulation that Jesus assured us that we would encounter with the "Wrath of God!" They are VERY different. The Scriptures that you provided are sobering, for what we are experiencing under the reign of Satan is a "drop in the bucket" when compared to the Wrath of God that will be poured out upon the earth in the days to come! What a relief to know that He will save us from that day! "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" 1Thess. 5:9 Blessings, Mommapbs |
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3 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35360 | ||
Mommapbs; Thank you for you reply. I appreciate the fact that you expreesed your thoughts on this topic. And the following verse you posted is a good one. "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" 1Thess. 5:9 In that verse I see that "God has not appointed us for wrath" and I believe thats so. The problem I have is that I don't find a verse that says: God has not appointed us for tribulation. Actually when reading Matthew 24, I see it says: Mt 24:29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. In the above verses, the order of things I notice is: 1) tribulation vs. 29 2) they shall see the Son of man coming vs. 30 (see Acts 1:11 also) 3) they shall gather together his elect vs. 31 (the gathering of the elect, comes after the tribulation) To put the rapture before the tribulation, would seem to put it out of scriptural order. With Christ's love zach_† |
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4 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | Mommapbs | 35439 | ||
Greetings! I believe the tribulation that Jesus spoke about in this passage was NOT the TRIBULATION described in the book of The Revelation. Believers have suffered tribulation or troubles just as Jesus promised. This passage is still "pre-wrath." We are in tribulation this very day as we struggle against natural enemies and spiritual powers and authorities. Jesus comforts us by reminding us that HE has overcome the world - sin and death are defeated foes! Praise God! So although we still struggle, our Redeemer is at the door, just waiting for the Father's command to go get His Bride! We should all be looking up expectantly! This often helps in keeping the focus off our temporary trials or "tribulations!" I hope I have clarified my thinking on this for you!Blessings in Jesus!Mommapbs |
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5 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35445 | ||
Mommapbs; Thank you once again: Just one quick thought: Notice in Matthew 24:29 It mentions "the tribulation" singular, not plural. It isn't referring to trials and tribulation(s) (plural), but rather THE TRIBULATION. Peace and love zach_† |
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6 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | Mommapbs | 35488 | ||
In this verse , you are correct! I aoplogize, I was thinking about the signs that Jesus said would precede His coming, which can be described as a type of "tribulation" that believers will go through prior to the Rapture. But I do not agree that the Church, the Body of Christ, will experience the Great Tribulation that this Sripture speaks of. Sorry for the confusion! Mommapbs | ||||||
7 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35514 | ||
Mommapbs No problem; However, in Matthew 24:31 we see the elect, are still around after the tribulation mentioned in Matthew 24:29. Peace Grace and love zach† |
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8 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | Mommapbs | 35548 | ||
Does it really matter WHEN He comes? He said He would, that's enough for me! In His Love, Mommapbs |
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9 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35553 | ||
Lets assume that you believe that Christ will come before the great tribulation takes place, and this is the general opinion that has circulated for about the last hundred or so years. Now all of the sudden you find yourself in the middle of the great tribulation and this convincing world ruler is on the scene taking over the whole world. Lets say that they even want you to put this leaders symbol on the back of your hand before you can even buy anything, but it's OK because it's just for identification, so they say. The next thing that will run through your mind is, hay I must have been wrong in my belief, because the church or body of Christ is supposed to be gone before all this torture stuff takes place! So if I was wrong about that maybe there is a lot in the Bible that I have been wrong about because sure enough people that claim to be Christians are dying at the hands of this super power. What Hitler did to the Jews, this guy is doing to the Jews and the Christians. Since I was wrong about this tribulation stuff, maybe I don't really have eternal life like I thought, and what these people are doing to those that profess Christ is the real thing for sure. The next thing that goes through your head is that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, so could you guys use kind of a small mark because I never really have liked tattoos, and besides that I am getting pretty hungry about now since you wouldn't sell me any food. So does it make a difference when Christ comes, He seemed to think so and so did Paul in his teaching. Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; If everyone is expecting the rapture to take place before the great tribulation the faith of many will crumble and we might even find a verse in the Bible that goes something like this. Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Have a nice day. CDBJ |
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10 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35561 | ||
CDBJ; To that I say AMEN and AMEN zach† |
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11 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35596 | ||
Well zach, I never quite know what to say next, I was just accused of injuring two believers with the same message that you are saying Amen to. The message that is presented by Christ in Matthew chapter 24 sure doesn't sound like roses and kisses and a sweet world of love for everyone, the way I see it. If people see the devil coming down to earth to love all the Christians when he is finally cast out of heaven, they are sure going to be in for a big shock! The Word of God is trying to tell us but people just don't want to hear it. Rev. 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Am I reading this wrong or what? Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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12 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35607 | ||
CDBJ; Think about this: Many of the things Jesus said offended many religious people. So if we quote Jesus are we expecting to win the world's favor? Grace Peace and love zach† |
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13 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35611 | ||
Very good point, I just don't like to see people hurt especially by something that I say because I didn't come across on my thread the way that I intended. Have you ever looked at the web www.signministries.org I think if you haven't you might find it quite interesting. CDBJ |
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14 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35615 | ||
CDBJ; Yes I have been to signministries.org in the past. And yes it is interesting. Grace and Peace zach† |
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