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1 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | goodnewsminister | 88092 | ||
No, my Friend, I have listened to you and I have already proven all things that I know that the Trinity is a gross error in teaching and that God is ONE GOD, not three in one or a triad. You ask if I am listening to you without prejudice, the question is, are you? I have been where you are at now, and by your actions you prove that you do not believe in the hellfire that you claim to believe in, as you're not out door-to-door desiring to convert people to Christ. What amazes me most is that the JW's are out day-by-day knocking on doors to win people to Christ and they don't believe in an eternal place of torment, and I am amazed by their zeal and I appreciate the work that they are doing, because inadvertantly, they're spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and most of the basic truths that the Bible teaches, such as no immortal soul, no trinity and no hellfire, so they're actually doing the work of God, although the way they're set up is cultic, but people would learn more truth by listening to the JWs than they ever would from a Baptist, Methodist or any mainline denominational preacher who does not even know what the Gospel of the Kingdom IS, must less know what the Truth on the other subject are. I am sorry friend, the Bereans 'searched the Scriptures' to find out if what Paul was saying was true or not. Yes, they listened, but they didn't believe what Paul said until they checked it out against the Bible. I am not 'arguing' with you, Friend, you're just upset because I'm not just another Christian who takes what you say for granted, I KNOW what the Scriptures teach, both the Old and the New Testaments, and I am not fooled by your deceptions, so you have no reason to be upset with me. I am searching the Scriptures when I am presented some to search, but as of yet, you've only supplied 'proof texts' and ones I've already gotten a clear understanding on, so I hope you'll do the same with my posts, are YOU listening to what the Scriptures say to you? No, you're not, for you cannot, God has not chosen to open your ears yet, so you cannot hear what the Spirit saith to the churches until He does open your ears to hear, and thus, I cannot nor am I trying to force my beliefs upon you, I'm sharing with you the wonderful GOOD NEWS of the TRUE GOSPEL and it's up to you to do your own research, vice, quoting from CARM and relying on them for your beliefs. Yes, I quote from other websites too, but I've searched out their beliefs and I know that what they're teaching is true and I've also presented my own original thoughts on these verses. I bid thee well, my Friend, I love you with your mistaken beliefs and all and inspite of them. I am here to help you see the LIGHT of Truth from the Bible, if you're wishing to learn it. If you're satisfied with what you have, then fine with me. God's not trying to convert the world now, and neither am I. You'll believe as I do now in the coming Kingdom, when you will be FORCED to learn the Truth, then you will believe it as I do now. Til then, Christian love and greetings to you and your fellow worshippers at your church that you attend. In Him, The Good News Minister! http://www.cmfellowship.org |
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2 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | TheCurtMan | 88172 | ||
Good News Minister, What have I said to give you the impression that I'm upset with you?? Just because we do not see Eye to Eye on scripture is by no means reason enough to get upset over. I am not upset with you. I'm sadden by your spiritual delima, but I'm not upset with you. Luke 16 tends to indicate that when a person is condemned eternally, not only do they suffer, but they suffer with the ability to remember their past. They have the ability to remember people who tried to keep them from receiving the eternal punishment they did. Do I believe in Heaven; Hell and the Trinity?? YES I DO, with all my heart, mind and soul. The biblical evidence is too strong to ignor. Unless you are intentionally blinded by the fact, and you are, and that's what saddens me. But even scripture indicates that the carnal mind can not accept the things of God. However; I am rather interested in names of theologians who you know that agree with the doctrine of the Watchtower; or maybe their interpretation of John 1:1. Oh, and one final note. Just because the JW's go door to door doesn't mean that they are spreading the truth. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has already proven themselves to be a false prophet, and this is the doctrine that you willingly choose to follow. One of us is right, and the other is dead wrong. We both believe we're right, but only time will tell. Please get back with me with those names. The CurtMan |
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3 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | goodnewsminister | 88350 | ||
Dear CurtMan, I appreciate your remarks. Whether your upset with me or not is of no consequence to me, as I love you regardless of your mislead beliefs. I appreciate that you're sadden by my beliefs, I appreciate your loving concern for me. I look at you as a cherish brother in the Lord, one with whom I may become 'friends' as it were, if you wish, but I will not force myself upon you. Here something for you to think about:"The New World Translation is an incredibly biased translation" Reasoning from the Scriptures with the Jehovah's Witnesses by Ron Rhodes "It is no more 'full of heresies' than any other translation" Bible Translations and how to choose between them by Alan S. Duthie In the verse preceding his statement, Ron Rhodes says that the NWT rendering of Hebrews 1:8 is unacceptable. Mr. Rhodes likes the New International Version(NIV) and the New American Standard Version(NASB). Hebrews 1:8 says in the NWT: "But with reference to the Son: 'God is your throne forever and ever, and [the] scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness." The NASB says: "But of the Son he says, THY THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM." The NIV reads similarly. So which one is right? The NASB's translation reads like the Son is God, the NWT's does not. This scripture is quoting Psalms 45:6,7. What Mr Rhodes fails to mention in this regard is that Psalms here is referring to a human king, probably King Solomon. Was King Solomon "God"? NO! That is why the Revised Standard Version translates Psalms 45:6,7 as "Your divine throne endures forever and ever" which is different from the way it translated it for Hebrews 1:8. Who is biased now? Hebrews 1:8 equates Jesus(the Son) with King Solomon in Psalms. Both are subordinate to God, both are Kings. The Tanakh Holy Scriptures(the New Jewish Publication Society Translation translates Ps 45:7 as "Your -divine throne- is everlasting. and then it encourages the reader to read 1 Chronicles 29:23 which says: "Solomon successfully took over the throne of the LORD as king instead of his father." Solomon, like Jesus sits/sat on Jehovah's throne. So a little investigation will go a long way to uncover the truth behind attacks on the NWT. Ron Rhodes states that the NWT gets a "thumbs down" from legitimate bible scholars...What about John 1:1 in the NWT? Well, I will let Greek Scholar Jason BeDuhn from the Northern Arizona University answer this one: "The Greek phrase is theos en ho logos, which translated word for word is "a god was the word." Still Prefer the New International Version's Rendering of John 1:1? In 1976 "A Linguistic Key To The Greek New Testament" was released by Fritz Rienecker, "Translated with additions and revisions, from the German SPRACHLICHER SCHLUESSEL ZUM GRIECHISCHEN NEUEN TESTAMENT edited by Cleon L. Rogers Jr." ISBN 0-310-32050-X What do they say of John 1:1? "The word is without the article and is the predicate emphasizing quality, 'the word had the same nature as God'." Who published this? It was Zondervan Publishing House. The same people who bring you the New International Version. So let's put this canard to rest. What about the NWT Old Testament? Isreali Professor Benjamin Kedar: "Several years ago I quoted the so-called New World Translation among several Bible versions in articles that deal with purely philological questions (such as the rendition of the causitive hiphil, of the participle qotel). In the course of my comparative studies I found the NWT rather illuminating: it gives evidence of an acute awareness of the structural characteristics of Hebrew as well as of an honest effort to faithfully render these in the target language. A translation is bound to be a compromise, and as such its details are open to criticism; this applies to the NWT too. In the portion corresponding the the Hebrew Bible, however, I have never come upon an obviously erroneous rendition which would find its explanation in a dogmatic bias. Repeatedly I have asked the antagonists of the Watchtower-Bible who turned to me for a clarification of my views, to name specific verses for a renewed scrutiny. This either was not done or else the verses submitted (e.g. Genesis 4:13; 6:3; 10:9; 15:5; 18:20; etc.) did not prove the point, namely, a tendentious translation." It should be pointed out that that Professor Kedar does not "feel sympathy for any sect and this includes Jehovah's Witnesses." [to be continued...] |
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4 | how to start reading the bible? | Bible general Archive 1 | TheCurtMan | 89843 | ||
Good Morning Good News Minister, Sorry it took me so long to respond to your last message, but I’ve been away for awhile. Hebrews 1:8 is one of those verses that Christians use to affirm the divine deity of Christ. In Hebrews 1:8, God the Father Himself affirms Jesus’ deity by calling Him God. Not a god, but God. Ok, lets take this out into left field and bring it home. In a Watchtower publication called Reasoning from the Scripture, pg. 64, under the heading, ‘How can we be sure the Bible has not been changed, is this: “It is true that some translations of the Bible adhere more closely to what is in the original languages than others do. Modern paraphrase Bibles has taken liberties that at times alter the original meaning. Some translators have allowed personal beliefs to color their renderings. But these weaknesses CAN BE IDENTIFIED by comparison of a variety of translations. Hebrews 1:8-9 Amplified Version But as to the Son, He says to Him, Your throne O God is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of absolute righteousness-of justice and straightforwardness. v. 9 You have loved righteousness-You have delighted in integrity, virture and uprightness in purpose, thought and action-and You have hated lawlessness. Therefore God, Your God has anointed You with the oil of exultant joy and gladness above and beyond your companions. King James Version But unto the Son He saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom. v. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even they God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. New King James Version But to the Son He says, Your throne O God is forever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. v. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness, therefore God; Your God has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than your companions. New American Standard Version But of the Son He says, Thy throne O God is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom. v. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Therefore God, Thy God hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy companions. New International Version But about the Son He says, Your throne O God will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. v. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness, therefore God; Your God has set you above your companions by anointing You with the oil of gladness. New World Translation But with reference to the Son, God is your throne forever and ever, and scepter of your kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. v. 9 You loved righteousness and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your partners. The New World Translation is not relaying the same message. EVERYPLACE in scripture where the Godhead of Jesus is affirmed, The New World Translation twists it to imply something else. And you’re wondering why Ron Rhodes has a problem with this? He’s not the only one; most true believers that take bible study seriously have a problem with this. Run the same analyzes on John 1:1 and the results will be the same, The New World Translation sticks out like a sore thumb; it goes in the opposite direction. The New World Translation is the PERFECT EXAMPLE of how the Bible should not be translated. |
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