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1 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 77689 | ||
Well, since salvation is by the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ, aren't questions about such things as the volume of water (a sprinkle or a deluge) and the modes of baptism (immersion or a "little dab will do you") rather moot ones as far as salvation is concerned? How far do we go with this issue until we run into legalism? (Rhetorical question, by the way, thrown out for our "edification" and no response is sought.) --Hank | ||||||
2 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | disciplerami | 77721 | ||
Greetings Hank, I'm glad to have you weigh in on this subject. Obviously, I don't think it is a moot point. If God meant that we only 'get wet', then we might do it any of the ways you state, but when the specific command is given to be 'immersed', then that negates all other options. Following this principle is sound and keeps the church from straying from the truth. Legalism is the habit of binding where God has not: such as what Jews did, layering various traditions on washings and fasting on top of the Mosaic Law. That is Legalism. A strict adherence to the Biblical pattern can also become a Legalistic practice if it is done for the wrong reason: when a faith act becomes a ritual/rite. I believe that the practice of sprinkling infants is viewed in much the same way that carnal Jews viewed circumcision. Without faith being involved, the act has saving power "in and of itself." This error is not followed by adults who believe salvation is by grace through faith, received at the point of immersion in the name of Jesus Christ. Adhering to "immersion" because Jesus said "immersion" does not constitute Legalism. Disciplerami |
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3 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 77722 | ||
Disciplerami: 'Twasn't the mode of which I was speaking but the placing of an unscriptural definition upon baptism, attaching to it a role that it does not play in salvation; that is, making it an integral part of salvation, a view that is contrary to the clear scriptural doctrine of salvation by grace through faith in Christ. Now, being a Baptist, I shan't quarrel with you on the accepted mode of baptism, i.e., by immersion, and neither on the issue of infant baptism, since firmly do I believe that truly scriptural baptism is reserved for believers, which of course excludes infants since they have not attained the capacity to believe. --Hank | ||||||
4 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 77746 | ||
Hi Hank, I think that a lot of what we try to convey on this forum is like talking to a dead person they can’t hear a thing that you say because they are dead. 1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. How far does God’s plan of salvation go with grace, will it overlook UNDIVIDED faith in Jesus and accepts a little self-righteousness from one trying to keep the law? I guess maybe grace is no more grace? CDBJ |
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5 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 77748 | ||
CDBJ: Indeed for some who have strayed to the degree that they see the grace of God as needing a boost from them, grace is no more grace. Would that we all who profess Christ could have the mind of the apostle Paul when it comes to grace: Three times he besought the Lord that his thorn in the flesh depart from him. And the Lord answered him: "My grace is sufficient for thee." Paul's response was one of total acceptance, for he said, "Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore, I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities,in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong." The clear teaching is that the grace of God through Christ is sufficient, and being sufficient, it needs our total acceptance but it needs no boosts from us: there is nothing that we can add to God's grace and he who thinks otherwise is a sad and foolish man. --Hank | ||||||
6 | What "norms" can we disregard? | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 77754 | ||
Greeting Hank, you talk about how sad and foolish people can be and that they don’t understand grace. Grace is like getting a ride on the space shuttle, only the shuttle is Jesus and one must be buckled in tight. Those that don’t understand grace and aren’t trusting on Jesus death on the cross, are trying to make sure they are covering all the possibilities. They in fact don’t think what Jesus did is enough, so they remove themselves from the shuttle, that’s going 17,000 mph, so they can help push with their puny works of baptism or keeping the law or what ever else is in addition to faith. Galatians 1:6-7 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Faith is staying buckled in the seat and relying only on Jesus who is able to accomplish what he says he will do. 2 Tim. 1:12 (B) for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day. CDBJ |
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