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1 | Why is killing enimies in the OT okay? | Bible general Archive 1 | stjones | 49917 | ||
Greetings, Mandy; First of all, I certainly wouldn't agree that the conquest of Canaan described in Joshua is "wanton killing". I agree that it is an appalling account. Perhaps anticipating that, God explained to Moses: 'After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, "The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness." No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. It is not because of your righteousness or your integrity that you are going in to take possession of their land; but on account of the wickedness of these nations, the Lord your God will drive them out before you, to accomplish what he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Understand, then, that it is not because of your righteousness that the Lord your God is giving you this good land to possess, for you are a stiff-necked people.' (Deuteronomy 9:4-6) Would you care to cite a specific passage for your favorite story? Who was "the leader"? What were the circumstances? More importantly, who defines "wanton"? You? What is your standard? Is it just killing that you personally disapprove of? Most of us around here consider the Bible to be authoritative, the standard by which we measure our opinions and our ideas. By what do you measure yours? As for "borderline insanity", let me provide two passages that guide me when I think I have a better idea than God: (1) "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight" (Proverbs 3:5-6) and (2) "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Corinthians 1:18) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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2 | Why is killing enimies in the OT okay? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mandy33319 | 49923 | ||
And Greetings, Steve: You ask: What was my "favorite" story, the name of the "leader"? In Judges 11: 30 through 39 "Meanwhile Jephthah had vowed to the Lord that if God would help Israel conquer the Ammonites, then when he returned home in peace, the first person coming out of his house to meet him would be sacrificed as a burnt offering to the Lord! So Jephthah led his army against the Ammonites, and the Lord gave him the victory. He destroyed the Ammonites with a terrible slaughter all the way from Aroer to Minnith, including twenty cities, and as far away as Vineyard Meadow. ....when Jephthah returned home, his daughter--his only child--ran out to meet him, playing on a tambourine and dancing for joy. When he saw her he tore his clothes in anguish. Long story short, she was given a couple of months reprieve to play with her friend in the surrounding hills, but when she returned, Jephthah sacrificed her as a "burnt offering" to God, just as he had vowed to do. ------------------------------- Then you ask: who defines "wanton"? "You?" Well, that was an adjective that came to mind. "Heinous" might be another. Consider this episode (one of a multitude): Numbers 31: verses 14 through 41 Paraphrasing--Moses greets his returning army officers and battalion leaders, and is very angry with them. They had let "all" the women live. Moses instructs the officers to kill all the boys and the women who have had sexual intercourse, but save the "little girls" and keep them for "themselves". To me, that's fairly "wanton" and yes, "heinous", also. In many of the Books and verses that I listed, is the same sort of admoniton or direction/order by God, to "slaughter" "completely" all inhabitants of a city or country, including the babies. Over and over and over. --------------------------------- As for "borderline insanity", maybe it's not even border line? Especially if one tries to justify this kind of carnage, he has "jumped" over the line.... Mandy |
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3 | Why is killing enimies in the OT okay? | Bible general Archive 1 | Norrie | 49925 | ||
I remember discussing that story in Sun school. He made a vow that God did not require him to make. God does not require human sacrifice, at least not the death/burnt offering kind. Jephthah was wrong to have made that uncalled for vow. He was wrong and kinda stupid. That's like someone saying Lord, let me get this job and I'll kill my dog or Lord, deliver me from alcohol and I'll never eat chocolate again, silly humans! | ||||||