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1 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 45142 | ||
Thank you for your response, as I can see you put a lot of thought into it. I will be honest with you with my answer and you might think that I am at times a little fickle. I have been a believer for over 36 years now and I study more then the average bear. I am active in teaching Bible studies and I like to dig into the Koine Greek for a fuller understanding of the Word. I don't think that there is anything more rewarding then leading someone to the Lord for salvation. As I said, I will be honest when I tell you that there are times when I think that Calvin is right and then there are times when I lean toward Arminianism; now if that isn't being fickle I don't know what is! I am a very, very firm believer in eternal security and this is one point that I can't be budged from, no mater how people try to twist scripture around, grace is grace. When it come to predestination, of course the Bible teaches it, but to grasp the full understanding of what it is, at times I am not able to grasp it, that or I might have a paradigm paralysis or just a plain mental block. The verse that comes to mind when I think of predestination is found in Romans 9:21 (KJV) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? It think this way a while then my mind drifts toward that fact that God made us with a free will to chose, and that’s what pleases him, when we make a decision to love him not because we are programmed that way but because we want to, on our own. 1 John 4:10 (KJV) Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Can one ever enjoy something that is done for them when the person that did it is forced to do it: do you see where I am coming from? It must be nice to be firmly entrenched in one camp or the other but at this point in time I am having trouble with it as I am torn between both. Yours in Christ, sitting in no-man's land, CDBJ P.S. If you want to get those ugly black blobs out of your post, change your default font to ARIAL 10; I use 14 so I can see it easer but the key is ARIAL. |
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2 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | congregationalist | 45224 | ||
Hi CDBJ I’m thankful for your thoughtful reply, you are easy to converse with which is a rarity in online discussions. You wrote: [snip] I am a very, very firm believer in eternal security and this is one point that I can't be budged from, no mater how people try to twist scripture around, grace is grace. I’m glad you believe that but don’t you think perseverance of the saints is dependant on predestination being true? You wrote: [snip] Can one ever enjoy something that is done for them when the person that did it is forced to do it: do you see where I am coming from? Maybe. I think your problem with grasping the doctrine lies in the fact that you bring some foreign notion to it, namely that predestination implies coercion. It doesn’t. The fact, the Biblical fact that is, that God foreordains everything that comes to pass does not imply he forces His will on the choices men make. Calvin warned us that we should handle this particular doctrine with care and shouldn’t take it too far, to inquire into God’s mind why He does what He does Calvin thought was sinful. We should simply deal with the scriptural truth as it was laid down for us in the Holy Writ. Does it teach predestination? Yes it does (you admit that as well). Does it teach that God coerces people into doing what He foreordained? No it doesn’t. Does it follow, logically, from the premises that if God foreordains everything then man’s choice is coerced? No it doesn’t. So then, this is where I think we should stop our inquiry and this is where Reformed Christianity stops together with apostle Paul “O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?”. You wrote: P.S. If you want to get those ugly black blobs out of your post, change your default font to ARIAL 10; I use 14 so I can see it easer but the key is ARIAL Well actually my settings have no influence on how your browser displays stuff, I wish it had actually for then my job, which is web development, would be a lot easier then it is now ;-) Any problems you might be having with how text is displayed in your browser is either the developers’ fault (but they will never admit it) or your browser’s settings have to be changed. Cheers |
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3 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 45229 | ||
Greetings, I guess that I will just have to prod along until the Lord convinces this bone head of mine what all the real facts are, providing I last long enough; and if I don't last he can change my thinking in a real hurry when I take that last breath of earth smog. 2 Cor. 5:8 (NIV) We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. CDBJ |
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4 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | congregationalist | 45232 | ||
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