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1 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | congregationalist | 43846 | ||
I think you already know the answer but for one reason or another not willing to admit you know it :-) Some verses you may want to look at are these: Psalm 115:3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases Obviously, if God is sovereign, then it follows there's nothing in the universe that happens outside of God's will, including the sins of some angels and all men (save Christ alone) and He does whatsoever He pleases including the foreordination of sin. The Bible does not hide this simple truth and it is rather strange why Christians in this age are shy of some of this Biblical truth. Another Psalm says: "Whatever the LORD pleases He does, In heaven and in earth, In the seas and in all deep places." (136:6) If it did not please the Lord and if He did not foreordain Satan's sin as well as Adam's, then it follows that what God did not will had actually happened and therefore there's some other force in the universe superior to God or at least outside of His control. But such is not the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible, according to Daniel 4:35 "...doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" After Biblical data is examined (not as briefly as I did here though) it is clear that: 1) whatever happens in the universe happens because God wills it so 2) it is so happened that some angels and all men (save Christ) sinned, Therefore, it was God's will that (2) happened. However, the erroneous conclusion so often put forth is because (1) and (2) are true, therefore God is the author of sin, but clearly such a conclusion just does not follow and therefore false. One simply cannot construct a sound Biblical argument to arrive at the conclusion that God is the author of sin. Just because God the Father willed that His Son be crucified does not make the Father responsible for His Son's crucifixion. Why God does what He does invokes immidiately that passage from Daniel 4 "none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Remember Deut 29:29? Hope this clarifies the matter a little :-) |
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2 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 44559 | ||
Greetings Congregationalist! Welcome to the forum! Your argument in your last post said: "After Biblical data is examined (not as briefly as I did here though) it is clear that: 1) whatever happens in the universe happens because God wills it so 2) it is so happened that some angels and all men (save Christ) sinned, Therefore, it was God's will that (2) happened. However, the erroneous conclusion so often put forth is because (1) and (2) are true, therefore God is the author of sin, but clearly such a conclusion just does not follow and therefore false. One simply cannot construct a sound Biblical argument to arrive at the conclusion that God is the author of sin. Just because God the Father willed that His Son be crucified does not make the Father responsible for His Son's crucifixion." But, this is logically impossible. In fact, premise 2) cannot be correct under your system of thought since nothing can just happen apart from the will of God. This is why so many people have a problem with the reformed understanding of God's sovereignty. If nothing can happen apart from God's sovereign will, then of course God must be responsible for sin. If man is incapable of excersising free choice, then God must be responsible for our very choices. Personally, I don't believe that the Biblical doctrine of Sovereignty eliminates the possiblity of God granting us the ability to freely choose. This is the only way I can find that does not make God responsible for sin. Well, I've got to run to work now. I'm sure we can interact more later! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 44574 | ||
Tim, Congregationalist, How about a short prayer excerpt to break the dogmatic deadlock? "O happy fault, O necessary sin of Adam, which gained for us so great a Redeemer!" from the Exsultet, sung at the Easter Vigil. Emmaus |
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4 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 44613 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Dogmatic deadlock! After only one post? :-) I do like the prayer though! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | How did sin originate | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 44707 | ||
Hello Tim, I am glad you liked it. The whole prayer, from which I quoted only two lines, is truly beautiful. The deadlock I was was refering to was the entire thread. Your post just happened to be the last one posted before I wrote. :-) Emmaus |
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