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1 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | ddrundle | 40762 | ||
Where is scripture to back up the belief that Jesus was not crusifed on a cross, like some demonations teach. And proof that he was. | ||||||
2 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 40763 | ||
Dear ddrundle, The Cross and Crucifixion. This Is Appendix 162 From The Companion Bible. In the Greek New Testament two words are used for "the cross" on which the Lord was put to death. 1. The word stauros; which denotes an upright pole or stake, to which the crimminals were nailed for execution. 2. The xulon, which generally denotes a piece of a dead log of wood, or timber, for fuel or for any other purpose. Is is not like dendron, which is used of a living, or green tree, as in Matthew 21:8; Revelation 7:1, 3; 8:7; 9:4, etc. As this latter word xulon is used for the former stauros, it shows us that the meaning of each is exactly the same. The verb stauroõ means to drive stakes.1 Our English word "cross" is the translation of the Latin crux; but the Greek stauros no more means a crux than the word "stick" means a "crutch". Homer uses the word stauros of an ordinary pole or stake, or a single piece of timber.2 And this is the meaning and usage of the word throughout the Greek classics.3 It never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one piece alone. Hence the use of the word xulon (No. 2, above) in connection with the manner of our Lord's death, and rendered "tree" in Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29. Galatians 3:13. 1 Peter 2:24. This is preserved in our old English name rood, or rod. See the Encycl. Brit., 11th (Camb.) ed., volume 7, page 505d. There is nothing in the Greek of the New Testament even to imply two pieces of timber. The letter chi, , the initial of the word Christ , was originally used for His Name; or . This was superseded by symbols and , and even the first of these had four equal arms. These crosses were used as symbols of the Babylonian sun-god, , and are first seen on a coin of Julius Cæsar, 100 - 44 B.C., and then on a coin struck by Cæsar's heir (Augustus), 20 B.C.4 On the coins of Constantine the most frequent symbol is ; but the same symbol is used without the surrounding circle, and with the four equal arms vertical and horizontal; and this was the symbol specially venerated as the "Solar Wheel". It should be stated that Constantine was a sun-god worshipper, and would not enter the "Church" till some quarter of a century after the legend of his having seen such a cross in the heavens (EUSEBIUS, Vit. Const. I. 37). The evidence is the same as to the pre-Christian (phallic) symbol in Asia, Africa, and Egypt, whether we consult Nineveh by Sir A. H. LAYARD (ii 213), or Manners and Customs of the Ancient Egyptians, by Sir J. GARDNER WILKINSON, iii. pages 24, 26, 43, 44, 46, 52, 82, 136. Dr. SCHLIEMANN gives the same evidence in his Ilios (1880), recording his discoveries on the site of prehistoric Troy. See pages 337, 350, 353, 521, 523. Dr. MAX OHNEFALSCH - RICHTER gives the same evidence from Cyprus; and these are "the oldest extant Phoenician inscriptions"; see his Kypros, the Bible, and Homer : Oriental Civilisation, Art, and Religion in Ancient Times, Plates XIX, XXV, XXVI, XXX, XXXI, XXXII, XL, LVIII, LXIX, etc. The Catacombs in Rome bear the same testimony : "Christ" is never represented there as "hanging on a cross", and the cross itself is only pourtrayed in a veiled and hesitating manner. In the Egyptian churches the cross was a pagan symbol of life, borrowed by the Christians, and interpreted in the pagan manner. See the Encycl. Brit., 11th (Camb.) ed., volume 14, page 273. In his Letter from Rome Dean Burgon says : "I question whether a cross occurs on any Christian monument of the first four centuries". Read the rest of this at www.therain.org. Bless you, Love Fountain |
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3 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 40803 | ||
Love Fountain Secular history proves crucifixion was the preferred method of execution of non Romans used by Romans. They took this form of execution and perfected it so as to inflict the most suffering possible. It also was a an excellent form of negative advertising as the all could see what fate awaited anyone breaking Roman law. Death comes by suffocation, the malefactor must push against the nails in his feet to lift himself to get a breath. The struggle comes as weakness sets in and the body going in and out of shock tries to decide which is worst the pain or the need for air for life. This along with the shame of being exposed at such a intimate time as death entertained the Roman psyche. To say Jesus did not die on a cross is as close to heresy as one could come, since the scriptures clearly states Jesus was nailed to the cross, hung there and died. The Jewish secular historian confirms this. Since both history and the bible bear witness to the fact Jesus died on the cross why would anyone consider otherwise? Please reframe from contradicting the Bible. It is one thing to discuss an issue it is entirely different to propose theories in direct contradiction to the Bible. EdB |
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4 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 40882 | ||
Dear EdB, Please reread what I copied and pasted from another web site again. The words are not mine nor have I taken any position but merely shared something I thought to be of interest regarding the shape of the cross. I see no need for hostility or put downs in any discussion of the Bible and I wish others would do the same so that we can all learn and grow in unity of Christ. Did you go to the website I listed and read the rest of the appendix? I am sorry I could not list the whole apendix in one post for you but I am limited to 5000 characters for some reason. Bless you, Love Fountain Heb 12:1-2 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. KJV |
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5 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 40922 | ||
Love fountain As tim pointed out to me I may have misread your append. I read the part where it said there is no proof that there were two pieces of wood and stopped. There is a teaching that Jesus wasn't nailed to the cross but instead impaled on a pole and to me that is pure hogwash. If you believe Jesus was nailed to a cross with his arms outspread then I would say your within orthodox Christianity and I apologize to you. EdB |
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6 | Crusifiction of Christ | Bible general Archive 1 | Love Fountain | 41067 | ||
Dear EdB, No need to apologize to me, I am not your enemy nor do I take offence. Please see that I merely answered the original question from both sides of the coin within this thread. Imagine we are in a court room and the defendant was accused for murder, imagine if the jury only listened to the prosecution and therefore cast a judgement of death without ever hearing the defense and sentence is passed and carried forth. Evidence comes back that the jury condemned and killed an innocent person. If only they had listened to the whole story perhaps the innocent defendant would have been still alive. EdB, Not only do I believe that Jesus carries the sins of the world in His outstretched arms nailed to the cross, but I also believe that the world continues to hammer the nails into His outstretched arms and legs daily, to this very day and onward until the time of His return to put the world back into the understanding of love and equality through unity. Bless you, Love Fountain Deut 4:20-24 20 But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day. 21 Furthermore the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, and sware that I should not go over Jordan, and that I should not go in unto that good land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance: 22 But I must die in this land, I must not go over Jordan: but ye shall go over, and possess that good land. 23 Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the LORD your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the LORD thy God hath forbidden thee. 24 For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. KJV |
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