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1 | What was the Lord's expectation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mike P | 3159 | ||
You wrote the following: "But you avoid the problem. What about the scriptures that show that Paul 'thought' he would be alive at the Lord's return?" If Paul indeed thought that he would be alive at the Lord's return. HE WAS WRONG! And every passage of Scripture in which Paul promulgated his error IS WRONG. I believe the Scripture to be without error, therefore, what Paul wrote was not incorrect, but rather the modern interpretation of his writings are incorrect to the extent that the Lord could return at any moment. You have consistently approached this point of doctrine from a human standpoint and neglected to view them from the aspect that the Scripture contains God's words. 52 Major Bible Themes says this on page 17 in regards to the theory of inspiration. VERBAL PLENARY INSPIRATION In the history of the church the orthodox view of inspiration has been described as verbal and plenary. By verbal inspiration it is meant that the Spirit of God guided in the very choice of the words used in the original writings. Scripture, however, indicates human authorship. Various books of the Bible reflect the writer's personal characteristics in style and vocabulary, and their personalities are often expressed in their thoughts, opinions, prayers, or fears. However, although the human elements are evident in the Bible, inspiration contends that God directed so that all the words that were used were equally inspired of God. This is brought out by the use of the word "plenary" which means "full inspiration" as opposed to views that claim only partial inspiration for the Bible. My point on this topic is this. God inspired the writers of the New Testament to write the very words of Scripture. God knows when he will send His Son back for the church. Therefore, it would be inconsistent and misleading for God to have put in His word the teaching that Christ could come at any moment. I submit to you that no such deception exists in Scripture, because God is Truth. Mike Piles |
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2 | What was the Lord's expectation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Chris | 3172 | ||
You speak of TRUTH; however, you hide your eyes as not to see! If our interpretation of these scriptures are wrong, please correct us. I've given you 5 to 10 verses in the BIBLE (i.e. TRUTH), so if the interpretation I use is incorrect then you must know the correct one! Your view of Inspiration is difficult to understand. So, when Jesus said, "And what I say to you I say to all; Watch!" (Mk. 13:37) He must have, according to your interpretation, made a mistake; because, he told the apostles to WATCH for His return and it didn't take place! What is your procedure for eliminating verses from the Bible? Do you mark them out in red or white them out? What do you do? I apologize, but I truly don't understand your way of interpreting scripture! If it is true that Christ could come back at anytime would it still be an error to expect or, at least, hope for His return? And, if Paul knew, when he was alive, that it was indeed possible for Christ to come back during his life would it be wrong to expect or hope that Christ would come back in his(Paul's) lifetime? (Notice, in no verse in the BIBLE does Paul say, "I WILL be alive when he comes." But only when giving a demonstration of what will happen at the Lord's return, and since, I believe, he thought it could happen at anytime, he of course included himself in with the living; because, he was, at that time, alive! The fact that he demonstrates a TRUTH through an example that happened at that time shows he thought it could happen at that time, but giving an example of something in the year 60 AD, when the event could take place at anytime is not an error! It is simply giving the example under current conditions. If I were to say to you, if I were standing here when a nuclear bomb hit, I would be burned up! If a nuclear bomb hit when I wasn't there, would that make my statement untrue? No, what I said was still accurate, I just wouldn't be burned up; because, I was not in that spot.) I don't see this as an error, only proof of expectation! That expectation is the TRUTH! Paul, James, John, and the writer of Hebrews, in my opinion, suggest by their writings that they expected Christ to return during their lifetimes! Please notice John 21:20-23, would John be incorrect in thinking he MIGHT live to see the return of our Lord? If that EXPECTATION would have made him wrong then our Lord MISLED him. And, I think we both would agree that our Lord could not do that; because, as you said, GOD is Truth! I must say that this debate is interesting and your points are note worthy, but I think it profits us little. I love you in Christ, whatever you believe, but if it be the will of GOD for us to disagree on this subject, so be His will! Please let me know if I've misrepresented anything in this message, and I would love to hear your continued opinions on this subject, but I do surrender for the sake of dissapation. GOD bless! |
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3 | What was the Lord's expectation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Mike P | 3175 | ||
JOH 21:21 Peter therefore seeing him said to Jesus, "Lord, and what about this man?" JOH 21:22 Jesus said to him, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!" JOH 21:23 This saying therefore went out among the brethren that that disciple would not die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but only, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you?" NASB A broad interpretation of the passage is that our Lord says to Peter. "It is none of you're business what I do with John." "Follow Me!" The passage does prove a few things. 1) The Lord is coming. 2)The Lord has the power to let John remain until His coming. 3)If the Lord had chosen for John to remain until His coming, John would still be with us today. The passage really does not hinder or support an "imminent return". You had quoted the following passage as a support of apostolic belief of the imminent return of our Lord. I would be careful doing that. REV 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus. If John had interpreted that as teaching the "imminent return" as meaning that Lord could come back any day now, John's interpretation would be incorrect. We have 2000 years plus or minus of proof that Jesus' coming could not have occurred to date, because He did not come. Is the Lord coming quickly, Yes, but in His time. Why, because He is not slack in His promises. The Lord will return when the Father sends Him. There is not one iota of chance that He will come before or after that point. I believe the Lord will come, I yearn for His coming. I yearn for the day that I will see Him face to face. I yearn for the day that I can bow on my face before Him and worship Him without any carnality in my being. Do I watch the times in which we now live? Yes. Do I want to be ashamed at His coming? NO!!! Do I teach the imminent return of Christ? No. It does not matter to me whether He comes today, or whether He comes 10,000,000 years from now. As Christians we have no excuse to not be watchful. Do we need to watch for spring leaves on the fig tree? Yes. The imminent return idea does not fly, nor is it needed. Lord Bless Mike Piles |
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4 | What was the Lord's expectation? | Bible general Archive 1 | Chris | 3181 | ||
Sorry, last comment: You said; "If John had interpreted that as teaching the "imminent return" as meaning that Lord could come back any day now, John's interpretation would be incorrect." To say someone 'could' do something is not the same as saying, someone 'will' do something. If our Lord wanted to take all of the sea out of the Sea of Galilee 'could' he have done it? OF COURSE HE COULD HAVE!! Just because He did not, does not mean He could not! You said, "We have 2000 years plus or minus of proof that Jesus' coming could not have occurred to date, because He did not come." If I would have wanted to, could I have stuffed myself full of choclate yesterday? Yes, I could have, but I didn't! This does not imply that I was unable at that time, it only implies that I, in fact, did not. And, I quoted several scriptures, not just one. I apologize again! GOD bless! |
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