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1 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 15928 | ||
CORRECTION OF PREVIOUS NOTE. This is a re-post of a previous Note -- with a correction added. The corrected copy is in paragraph three. The corrected sentence is: *If "they" means "Jesus and the disciples," then is not "Jesus and the disciples" an accurate, although not literal, translation?* koinekid: Your answer shows much wisdom and a knowledge of the subject. We are in agreement on your main points. I would agree entirely if you had said, "Frequently the NIV sacrifices an overly wooden literalness for readability." (Please note, I am not defending the NIV because it is my favorite translation. That honor goes to the New American Standard Bible. My second favorite would be the New King James Version.) I don't mean to criticize you in any way or to be nit-picky. But when the NIV substitutes "Jesus and the disciples" for "they," this is a good example of translation that is accurate, although not literal. *If "they" means "Jesus and the disciples," then is not "Jesus and the disciples" an accurate, although not literal, translation?* I could see your point if the NIV substituted "Caiaphas and his henchmen" for "they." That would be inaccurate. But the NIV does not do that, does it? It accurately substitutes "Jesus and the disciples" for "they." Again, in no way am I saying that your ideas are wrong. I would be the first to acknowledge that you do know what you're talking about. In your post I agree with you far more than I disagree. Thank you for your posting, which I find, on the whole, to be both accurate and readable. :-) |
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2 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | koinekid | 15935 | ||
kalos, Thanks for the response, and God bless you as you continue to post on this forum. I too agree with much of what your post says, however our two statements "sacrificing accuracy for readability", and "sacrificing overly woodenness for readability" are very different. I cannot agree with your use of the phrase "overly wooden literalness." It seems derogatory. Translating "they" when the Greek text has "they" does not denote woodenness in the translation. It denotes faithfulness to the text. Could an argument be made that since the Greek language makes extensive usage of pronouns and conjunctions, and the English does not, these could be dropped without altering the overall meaning of the passage. Certainly the argument could be made. But my statement is this. Such a translation, while accurately conveying the meaning of the text, does not accurately convey the text itself. I am not attempting to start a Bible versions debate on this forum. There are other places on the net for such things. I am simply stating what I perceive the facts to be. In Christ, koinekid Upholding Scriptural Accuracy, Integrity, Immutability, and Relevancy: Working towards the glory of God and the salvation of man |
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3 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 15996 | ||
Hi koinekid, I wonder if in regard to the dropping of pronouns and conjunctions if any of the readers here have considered the book "Theomatics" by Jerry Lucas and Del Washburn? Del Washburn also has a website at Theomatics.com | ||||||
4 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 16009 | ||
Greetings Ray! Please don't tell me that you have fallen for such a gimmick my friend! I checked out the link you provided. Here is what they say about their "method": ************************************************ "But not only does theomatics give us confirmation of the Bible's validity from an apologetic standpoint. The mathematical patterns in the text will also reveal the fact that God never intended - in the eternal sense - that His Word be understood only by the rules of grammar and the facts of history (the common grammatical-historical method that all schools of theology strictly follow). The words of the Bible and their literal meanings are only the outer shell. What this numbering system that God has placed does, is bring forth the deeper meanings of scripture. In otherwords, God placed within the text of His Word a code or "hidden revelatory process" that will ultimately reveal the symbolism that exists in Genesis, Daniel, Revelation - and for that matter, the entire Bible. Once all of this is understood more fully, we will for once and for ever arrive at determining what God's original intended meaning was. Theomatics takes nothing away from the literal words, but establishes the fact that God has protected His truth with symbolism, parables, and allegories. Theomatics completely destroys the popular fundamentalist/evangelical premise of trying to interpret everything in the Bible ONLY historically and ONLY literally." *********************************************** There are so many holes and dangers associated with such nonsense, that I would strongly urge everyone to STAY AWAY from it! The message and meaning of the Bible is clear as it is written. We simply have to obey it. Codes, numerology, and hidden meanings are traps for the guillible. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 16021 | ||
Hi Tim, I'm sorry that the flap cover of the book, represented by the web site, did not lead you to looking at the book. This book is not about codes, numerology, or hidden meanings. It is about comparison of Scriptures, groupings of Scriptures, subjects are tied together; all through the use of the letters of the languages themselves. Each letter has a numerical value (according to Webster's dictionary) and the totals of words and phrases have been shown to have significance. I believe that if man can run computers on what, two numbers, that our great God, whose name is Word, can accomplish and has accomplished greater things than we can imagine. I recommend the book highly. |
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6 | is the NIV a good bible to read? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ray | 16024 | ||
A P.S. from Ray, I'm talking of the book "Theomatics" and not the NIV of this thread as far as my recommendation goes. Theomatics uses the NASB. | ||||||