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1 | Will unbelievers be raised from Sheol? | Rev 21:8 | EdB | 31775 | ||
Curtnsally made a good point there is a distinction between unbelievers and those that never heard the gospel. An unbeliever has heard the gospel of Jesus Christ and rejected it and I believe therefore doomed to the Lake of Fire. However there are those that never heard the gospel (unreached) and what happens to them. Curtnsally made a statement I disagree with, “It is faith in God that save us from our sin, whether we recognize God in Christ or not. Abraham did not know of Jesus Christ in the literal sense, but Romans 4:3 speaks of Abraham being saved by grace (not works, as was commonly thought in OT times)... "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." He trusted God for His salvation.” It was not just Abraham’s faith in God that saved him but rather his faith that God would provide him a redeemer (God’s grace) that saved him. If this was not the case then all the God believing Jews would be saved. I believe Abraham righteousness earned him a place in Sheol known as “Abraham’s bosom” Luke 16, where Jesus then entered preached the Good News and lead captivity captive. The redeemer that he looked to came and took him home. Using Romans 1:20, “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.” And saying that because nature attests to God, and if we accept that we will be saved is untrue. Because John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” This clearly says that a knowledge of God is not enough, it is belief that Jesus died for our sins as being essential to our salvation. Roman 1:20 is saying only nature clearly attests to God, not that man would be saved or even realize a need to reconciled to God. Now to the question what about unreached people? The answer, we don’t know! We know God is just and we have to believe however it is handled it is done in a just and righteous manner. Our responsibility is to witness to Jesus and make disciples if we are doing this then we did our part and we have to trust God to do His. We can discuss this until the cows come home (as Hank would say), but the fact is we can’t answer this anymore than we can explain the Trinity or name the woman Cain married) EdB |
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2 | Will unbelievers be raised from Sheol? | Rev 21:8 | Hank | 31798 | ||
The Bible teaches clearly that Christ is himself "very God of very God" and therefore one's belief in God the Father must encompass the belief that God revealed himself in the form of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. The two Persons of the Godhead, together with the Holy Spirit, are so inextricably inter-related that belief in one must embody the belief in all three. Thus, from the Christian perspective, anyone who professes belief in God the Father while denying the Son or the Holy Spirit, in fact denies them all. Ed, this is a circuitous path that leads me to say that I agree with you! --Hank | ||||||
3 | Will unbelievers be raised from Sheol? | Rev 21:8 | Curtnsally | 31807 | ||
Hank Thanks for your note, and kind comment. I think we (you/me/Ed) are on the same page, and I don't disagree with your last comment about the inseparability of the Trinity. One could reverse your theory, though, by saying that belief in any part of the Trinity constitutes a belief in all (particularly if there is no knowledge of the Trinity). I wonder if the real question is whether or not God reveals the nature of the Trinity to every person... of just the existence of God??? Of course, we're treading on the end of the speculation continuum when we get this far out! Clearly anyone who denies Christ or the Holy Spirit denies God. But for the ignorant heathen who has no knowledge of the Trinity, or for the person who lived in OT times before the revelation of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, is not faith in the One God sufficient? Scripture, I believe, says yes. I'm not a universalist nor unitarian, believe me, but I do believe Scripture leaves room for God to save whom He chooses. We just can't comprehend His maginitude. Being a good Presbyterian, we could really juice up the discussion by weighing the Scriptures on "free will" versus "election" ... Cheers! Curt |
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4 | Will unbelievers be raised from Sheol? | Rev 21:8 | Hank | 31811 | ||
Curtnsally, I fully recognize that you are new to the forum and thus may be (blissfully, may I say?) unaware that the issue of election vs. free will has been, as you put it, "juiced up" already to such a magnitude that the juice therof nearly drowned us all at one point, and we flounder still in the somewhat subsiding flow. Had you been around during the peak of the storm, you might have thought, as some of us did, that it was a re-enactment of Noah's flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah blended into one epic drama :-) --Hank | ||||||