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1 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | wejlly | 225642 | ||
in first book of psalms, chapter 1 verse 5 it states only the rightous will be judged ...arnt rightous and sinners judged before the great white thron ? | ||||||
2 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225643 | ||
The wicked that didn't accept Jesus aren't judged, there really isn't anything to judge. If their name isn't written in the Book of Life they are just sentenced to lake of fire. Notice the wording in this verse they aren't judged they are sentenced on one condition is their name in the Book of Life or not | ||||||
3 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | Beja | 225647 | ||
Let me respond to two points from this thread. First, the original post is missunderstanding Psalm 1:5. When it says the wicked will not stand in the judgment, it does not mean they won't be present. It means they will perish. It would be like saying, "I was unable to stand before his onslaught." It means you were overcome by it. Second, Revelations 20 does indeed say that they are judged. Revelations 20:12,13 And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were JUDGED from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were JUDGED, every one of them according to their deeds. (caps mine of course.) It specifically says they were judged and it specifically says that the judgment was according to their deeds. Not simply on the basis that they rejected Christ. In Christ, Beja |
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4 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225671 | ||
First let me make one little comment. I to support the idea that doctrine needs to be established in scripture but we must be careful we don't simply "proof text" ourselves to death. That said let us begin a thought process. Romans 3:23 (NASB) 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Haven't all of mankind been judged already based on this statement? If the righteous died we believe them to be present with the lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8 (NASB) 8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. And do we not believe the unrighteous that die go to a holding place called Hell or Hades where there is a hot dry place. Luke 16:19 passage Again doesn't that tell us there has been a judgment? Or this? John 3:18 (NASB) 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. What then keeps us from eternal damnation? John 3:16 (NKJV) 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Neither our works nor our sins condemns us what condemns us is our failure to accept salvation through Christ Jesus. Revelation 20:15 (NKJV) 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire. So when I say the Unrigtheous aren't judged I mean because of the fact that all mankind has already been judged and found guilty and condemned to eternal damnation there is no judgement needed only the sentencing of those that failed to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. |
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5 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | Beja | 225681 | ||
EdB, When our "thought process" contradicts plain scripture it would be wisdom for us to throw our reasoning in the trash. In Christ, Beja |
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6 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225687 | ||
Before Christ what condemned man to damnation? Sin After Christ what condemned man to damnation? Refusal to accept salvation provided for by Jesus' work on the cross. What need to be judged? If you name is in the Book of Life you saved if not your going to the Lake of Fire. |
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7 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | Beja | 225688 | ||
EdB, While I was taking my daughter to dance class tonight I had some thought on how we might get very specific and have therefore some hope for our conversation. Let me step by step go through a few points in the passage that sparked our original discussion, Revelations 20. Let me quote again verses 12 and 13. "And I saw the dead, grea and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done." Now let you and I, just for a few posts, agree to restrict ourselves to discussing this passage. This is the only way we are going to get anywhere is if we actually focus on the passages. Now, I will lay out some points and you let me know specifically at what point in my reasoning that you and I part ways. Let me begin with my Thesis, then my points. Thesis: There is a future judgement. 1.) I take this scene to be something happening in the future. Whatever that "something" may be which is being described in Rev 20:11-15, its at a future date to our current moment in history. 2.) Whatever that "something" is, scripture describes it in these particular two verses as saying "they were judged." It uses these specific words more than once. This is not some word that I have randomly chosen to describe but but whatever is taking place, SCRIPTURE has chosen to descibe this future even with these words. 3.) Now, assuming we are in agreement that there is "some future event" and in these two verses scripture refers to it as "they were judged" I have a question. How do you say that I am in error when I say there will be a future time when people will be judged? How can you at the same time say that scripture is correct when it says it, yet I am wrong when I say it? I can think of only two ways you could possibly argue this. a.) You assume that what I mean, and what scripture means when we say this are two very different thigns. So that when scripture says there will be an event in the future when individuals will be judged, it means one thing and is correct, yet when I say that in the future there is an event in which individuals will be judged I mean something very different from what scripture is saying and therefore I am wrong. b.) You consider both I and scripture both to be wrong in asserting this. Assuming you didn't disagree with points 1 and 2, I ask you on which of these grounds do you disagree with my Thesis? Please, I ask you again, let us restrain ourselves for the moment to this one passage. Show me where I am missunderstanding THIS particular scripture. In Christ, Beja |
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8 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225689 | ||
UNCLE I give. You are totally missing what I'm saying and that is unfortunate. You are right in what you saying about Rev 20 above but you are forgetting what John 3:16-18 (NASB) 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. is saying. The unrigtheous of the world are already judged by the fact they reject the salvation provided for them by Jesus Christ and His work on the cross. Judgement at that point is moot they have been judged, found guilty and are now condemned as seen in Rev 20:15 I think I have repeatedly said I wasn't making a new religion but I was looking at the big picture not just a handful of verses. The big picture those that go into eternal damnation is not because they sinned, we all sin. They go into eternal damnation because they refused the salvation offered to them in Christ Jesus by God's grace. No judgement needed it is done deal. |
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9 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | Beja | 225695 | ||
EdB, I do understand what you are saying. This is not the first time I've heard people speaking what you are saying. However, showing you your error requires not long thought process, but the discipline to actually stop and look at individual passages to see if they support or condemn your theological statements. I admit I am a bit saddened that you are unwilling to actually buckle down and discuss a given passage of scripture. You continue to cry "proof texting!" each time I try to direct our attention to actual passages, and with this one phrase you quickly hurry on to your own theological stances. No discussion concerning scripture can be settled without the hard work and discipline of exegeting passages. Unless you are willing to do that we will keep just spouting our own rhetoric. I suppose part of me is happy and welcomes the end of the discussion, the other part of me regrets that so few are willing to really discuss the Bible rather than simply state their views repeatedly. May God bless you. In Christ, Beja |
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10 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | ariel levin | 225696 | ||
Beja, I've been following your discussion with Ed and I think you're missing the fact that what Ed is saying is not that there's not a future judgment, but that there is no need of one. I think he agrees that scripture clearly states that there is a Throne judgment of all the unsaved, he's just simply stating what scripture also says, when the unrepentant dies in his/her sins, judgment at that moment is passed, the day of salvation for that person has come and gone. Because he is right in that there really is no need of a judgment and because you are right in that there is indeed a future judgment it gives me hope to think that because the latter judgment is on the "deeds" of the unrepentant, that perhaps there are levels of punishment, that the "good person" who just happened to not be a saved person is not judged or punished equally with the truly evil unrepentant. (As there are different rewards and crowns to be handed out to His own according to their works or deeds, hopefully there will be lesser and greater degrees of punishment for the unsaved also according to their works and or deeds. There are some mighty fine unsaved people who have lived in this world and done wonderful things for humankind.) |
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11 | psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 | Rev 20:15 | EdB | 225700 | ||
ariel Thank you, you get it!!!!!! Praise God |
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