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1 | What commandments to keep? | 1 John 2:4 | bubbatate | 54576 | ||
continued from previous…………… I got a flyer for a two week prophecy conference at a nearby church…..I was extremely interested in prophecy and decided to go….if it was junk I just wouldn’t go back. When I got to the church I found, to my chagrin, that it was an SDA church. The first night of the conference was really interesting and I decided to stick it out….however, I went right home to get my “Sunday is the Sabbath” ducks in a row because I was sure that 7th day issue would come up. I went to my trusty Nave’s Topical Bible to get my ammo. All the “Sabbath” passages were listed, followed by a “Christians and the Sabbath” segment. There were a few resurrection passages cited plus a statement that went more or less, “Sunday is called the Lord’s Day in the Revelation.” I about flew off my chair……that was an out and out lie! I was in total despair……is there such flimsy evidence for Sunday that they actually had to lie? How could I go back to the SDA’s with this? I did a massive search of the scriptures and the world as I knew it totally collapsed……can Charles Stanley be wrong? Can Billy Graham be wrong? Why didn’t D. L. Moody get it? I called my assistant pastor (my nephew-in-law), I was sure he would have the missing piece. I explained my dilemma……he gave me the usual song and dance about resurrection day is now the Sabbath……I said, “I know…..but I have to prove it.” After an hour on the phone he could not scripturally verify anything……and his bottom line was, “It’s not important, it’s not worth my time.” That statement hit me like a sucker punch. Nave’s lied…..and now this. I ran my dilemma past many of the “Spirit filled” pillars of the church……all I got was nonsense……I never felt so alone in all my life. There was no doubt in my mind now that the 7th day is the Sabbath and that main stream Christianity was wrong and had no interest correcting it……I had been duped. I was no longer confused….I was hopping mad! I finished the conference at SDA and continued there….they taught that the 7th day was changed to the 1st day by the “Holy Roman Church” who did so to accommodate the pagans whose big day was Sunday (I’ve since learned that the practice began long before as a “delete all things Jewish” movement…..the Romans merely codified it.) SDA was adamantly against mixing paganism with Christianity, I was already on that page, so it looked like I found a home of like minded believers………until two months later when they announced that they were getting their Christmas choir together. Another smack upside the head. You say paganism has to go and you do Christmas? Goodbye SDA, you also speak with a forked tongue (and as for the Ellen White thing………). Now I’m the lone ranger again……I cried out to the LORD……..I know your word is true and I know Your Sabbath is the true one and I know that Christianity has been tainted, but I can’t find anyone else willing to throw out all the garbage. I asked for conformation that I was not the only one in the world who had so concluded. This was a Saturday….my last day at SDA…..I had nowhere to go the next Sabbath. That Monday I ran into a Christian friend……I explained my plight……within five minutes he concurred that the 7th day is the Sabbath…….he then said, “Ya know, I just heard that a “messianic” group is organizing and will begin meeting next Saturday.” Halleluyah!! Confirmation! I was there on the first Shabbat five years ago and have been there ever since. I’ve been challenged to name the name of the group with whom I associate……..we have no label……”Messianic” has already been taken and has certain connotations we chose not to identify with. My “will the real Sabbath please stand up” experience has led me to challenge everything….main line Christianity is wrong on the Sabbath and Christmas…..now you’ve got to prove EVERYTHING to have any credibility with me…….I’m not buying pat statements, doctrines and sacred cows that cannot be proven with a “thus saith the LORD”. Unscriptural tap dancing is disgusting, sometimes laughable, and I will challenge it at every turn……in turn, I welcome challenges………and will give chapter and verse in defense of my position......mere opinions will be stated as such. As for inerrancy of scripture….my position is this. Y’shua said (to Satan, in fact), "It is written: Man does not live on bread alone, but on EVERY WORD THAT COMES FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD. " (Mt 4:4). He didn’t say Paul’s word, or anybody elses’. If anything contradicts a “thus saith the LORD” I’m not including it in my theology. I do not have to give an account to Paul, Christianity or any man or I would be in big trouble……which many on the forum have already concluded that I am. I hope I was able to communicate with lucidity……thanks Brad. Singing the Song of Moses and the Song of the Lamb…..Bub |
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2 | What commandments to keep? | 1 John 2:4 | Reformer Joe | 54668 | ||
Did Sunday worship originate with Constantine in the 4th century? "On the day called the Feast of the Sun, all who live in towns or in the country assemble in one place, and the memoirs of the Apostles or the writings of the Prophets are read as time permits. Then, when the reader has ended, the President instructs and encourages the people to practice the truths contained in the Scripture lessons. Thereafter, we all stand up and offer prayers together." --"Apology," Justin Martyr (110-165) "Wherefore, also, we keep the eighth day with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead. And when He had manifested Himself, He ascended into the heavens." --The Epistle of Barnabas (written sometime between the destruction of the Temple in 70 and the Bar Kochba revolt in 132) "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight." --Acts 20:7 "On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come." --1 Corinthians 6:2 The first day surely seemed to be set aside for something, and unless God let worship of His Son degenerate into false teachings within one generation of the resurrection (since it is quite obvious that the Jews by and large rejected Jesus as their Messiah at all), we must accept the fact that there does exist a very ancient tradition for setting aside the first day of the week in honor of Jesus Christ. --Joe! |
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