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1 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | stjohn | 217105 | ||
Hi MJH, You know, MJH, one thing I cant figure out, is why you guys can't see the difference between just doing something because you want to, and compelling others to do it too, by telling them it is following God's command by doing so. After all, that's where Paul drew the line, and opposed Peter to his face. (Gal. 2:11-21) It was when Peter and others compelled Barnabas to follow them in their hypocrisy where Paul was compelled to rebuke him. And too, that is why he (Paul) also writes in (Col. 2:16-17) "Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ." Another thing is, you say we are taking: "a theological perspective and then fit the Texts to meet that understanding." Yes, perhaps, while that may be true to some extent, you are going to extra-biblical and historical books to justify your own interpretation. That seems not a little bit more of a stretch, and does not follow sola Scriptura. You are going 'outside' of the Bible, to Justify your own theological perspective. I have always found, if you look for something hard enough, you can usually find, something, that at least looks like it. :-) John |
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2 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | MJH | 217119 | ||
John, Comments well received and I agree that one must be very careful when looking outside the actual Text to support a view. First, one must support their view from the Received Greek first (or Hebrew if we are in the Old Testament). The literal meaning of the words, as received, are paramount. That is an essential part of Hermeneutics and can never be violated. Second, the Text must be viewed both in the context of the book itself (its structure, genre, etc.) AND it must be viewed in the context of all other Scripture. One Text can not contradict another, of course. Bringing in historical evidence from outside the Text (such as Greek culture, Josephus, Dead Sea Scrolls, Archeology, et. al.) should be done with the utmost caution. Especially when one uses such historical data to help support a view that is not aliened with the traditional interpretation held over a long period of time. Of course, tradition isn’t a good way to prove what the Text means either, but if one attempts to overturn even a small understanding of the Text as held by the majority over the majority of the time, that person must be in the position of needing to supply the burden of proof. In light of the post you are responding to, I have gone to great lengths to follow this through to see if the evidence is solid. After all, the whole premise of the argument rests on this historical data. Not that it contradicts the literal meaning of the words (at least I don’t think so) and it fits very good in light of other Scripture and I believe I can show with a very high degree of confidence that my view is accurate, I do recognize that still I am the one needing the burden of proof. God bless, MJH |
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3 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | stjohn | 217121 | ||
MJH, At least you understand you are in the minority. Just a couple of questions I have that no one from your camp has even begun to answer other then to say you cant build a doctrine on one verse. Just what does Paul mean by Peter's hypocrisy? And what does he mean by saying not to judge in regard to food or new moons or sabbath days? Can you please explain those two small things to me? It should be pretty easy. It sure is from our perspective. |
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4 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | grafted in | 217124 | ||
Dear John, Since MJH hasn't answered yet, please let me point out that if you don't read Col 2:16 all the way to the end of the chapter, you'll miss the subject of the scripture. The subject being, don't let anyone judge you regarding food, drink, a festival, new moon or sabbath according the commandments and doctrines of men. Paul was not talking about the commandments and doctrines that God introduced through Moses. As to Peter's hypocrisy? I am ashamed to have to admit that I have not yet studied that one out yet. Therefore I am not able to give you an answer at this time. Sorry. :o) |
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5 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | stjohn | 217126 | ||
Hi grafted in, The only thing wrong with is that the Colossians where not attempting to supplant the law of Moses with laws of pagan religions, Paul makes it clear in this chapter that he is referring to those of the circumcision of which could only mean the Jewish believers that were attempting to bring them back under the ceremonial law. There were no pagan man made religions that were keeping the sabbath, requiring circumcision, nor did they have decries that would forbid the Colossians from partaking in food or drink. Which Paul refers to in verse 20-21 "If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" I rather like Matthew Henry's summation of this chapter: "True wisdom is, to keep close to the appointments of the gospel; in entire subjection to Christ, who is the only Head of his church. Self-imposed sufferings and fastings, might have a show of uncommon spirituality and willingness for suffering, but this was not "in any honour" to God. The whole tended, in a wrong manner, to satisfy the carnal mind, by gratifying self-will, self-wisdom, self-righteousness, and contempt of others. The things being such as carry not with them so much as the show of wisdom; or so faint a show that they do the soul no good, and provide not for the satisfying of the flesh. What the Lord has left indifferent, let us regard as such, and leave others to the like freedom; and remembering the passing nature of earthly things, let us seek to glorify God in the use of them." Matthew Henry John |
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6 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | grafted in | 217148 | ||
John, I understand those commandments and doctrines of men spoken about are the extra oral portions of the law. The parts that men came up with. (I wasn't even considering that it could be things to do with paganism, not even anything the gentile believers had brought in with them, all to do with the Jewish Oral Law.) There were all kinds of extra things tagged onto any one of the God-given observances, and they tended to steal away the original idea of what that particular "law" was even for. You folks have a great weekend, a blessed, safe holiday. I'll talk to you again on Sunday or Monday. |
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7 | abide | 1 John 2:3 | DocTrinsograce | 217149 | ||
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